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Offline BCO

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% obscuration.
« on: September 24, 2010, 11:40:55 AM »
Hoping for some guidance on the possible adjustment ranges for % smoke obscuration on detector heads. Any ideas of the limits on adjustment, high and low? Many thanks.

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Re: % obscuration.
« Reply #1 on: September 24, 2010, 12:02:29 PM »
Where is this adjustment BCO?  It's not normally something that is adjustable and if you were able to wouldn't you need to calibrate against a known correct test unit first?

However if it is a general query I can tell you that Apollo Discovery multisensor detectors have 4 adjustable modes with sensitivity to smoke (grey smoke) and they are:
Mode 1 - 1.1% per m
Mode 2 - 2.1% per m
Mode 3 - 2.8 % per m
Mode 4 - 4.2% per m

They also indicate that mode 2 provides the operation expected of an Optical smoke detector

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Re: % obscuration.
« Reply #2 on: September 24, 2010, 12:32:55 PM »
Wiz, please forgive my lack ok knowledge on this issue. I was aware that different sensitivities were available and they tend to be measured in % obscuration however I am not aware of how these adjustments/variations are made. I also thought (like you) is there any calibration? And could the manufactures quoted figures really be relied upon.
However you have given me an idea of possible sensitivity ranges which is helpful. Thank you.  The purpose for requiring the information is to help determine whether room detectors will be activated when subjected to a small amount of smoke which has entered via an open window.   

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Re: % obscuration.
« Reply #3 on: September 24, 2010, 12:38:44 PM »
Sounds like fun BCO.

The %ob relates to what arrives at the head. If you are talking about whispy stufff coming though a window it might not get to the head. However you work it out you will have a high degree of uncertainty.

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Re: % obscuration.
« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2010, 12:52:34 PM »
BCO, as far as I understand there are recommendations (European-wide?) as to the amount of smoke which should cause a smoke detector to operate. I don't know what these recommendations are specifically.

The amount of smoke is measured by it's obscurity to light. Obviously there must also be recommendations as to type of smoke (Apollo use the description 'grey smoke') and, I would imagine the intensity of light, used when testing.

Most detector manufacturers 'pre-set' their detectors to operate at a specific level, although the Apollo Discovery Multisensor has 'user pre-settable' modes that cover levels within the 1.1-4.2% per m, as per my previous post.

I've just also also remembered that the Apollo Discovery Optical also has these 'modes' and, on checking, I can confirm that these cover the range 1.4 - 2.8% per m.

I know of no detector where total adjustment of the sensitivity is provided for adjustment by the 'user'.

I know of no control panel that allows you to adjust the response of a smoke detector by varying the % obscuration.

Some analogue addressable panels allow some means of adjustment of sensitivity (in as much as at what point the panel reacts to the information the detector is sending to it)  but I know of none where this is  measured as a % obscuration. In all events, I would imagine that the range of adjustment made available is always only within the range of the recommendation mentioned in the fiirst line of this post.

It might be a good idea for you to contact a detector manufacturer for more advice.

In my fire alarm servicing days, I well remember numerous occasions where unwanted alarms were attributed to invisible amounts of smoke from small bonfires flowing through open bedroom windows.
« Last Edit: September 24, 2010, 12:58:24 PM by Wiz »

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Re: % obscuration.
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2010, 10:13:27 AM »
Thanks for this wiz, the manufacturer, (or several) is my next port of call.

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Re: % obscuration.
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2010, 09:19:58 AM »
On Hochiki multi-sensors in one mode sensitivity is adjusted automatically ("enhanced") if the heat sensor detects a temperature rise (goes from ~4% down to 3%/m).  In it's smoke detection only mode it can be varied between 1 and 4.5%.  Therefore, in order to be sure you'd need to know what the device is and how it has been programmed.  Then you have to take into account that this is the amount of smoke inside the device, which will be <the amount of smoke outside.

Tricky!

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Re: % obscuration.
« Reply #7 on: October 12, 2010, 05:12:11 PM »
I know of no control panel that allows you to adjust the response of a smoke detector by varying the % obscuration.

Wiz - Kentec Syncros and Hochiki detectors - sensor properties are set in % density - between 1 and 5.



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