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NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« on: October 23, 2012, 10:56:26 PM »
A new edition of BS 5839-1 is now out as a draft for public comment by the end of November.  it is not intended to be a revision of the standard but just a new edition, which basically just contains a number of amendments, will be published as BS 5839-1: 2013.  The reason for the amendments is to reflect the findings of the Rosepark Inquiry, so the draft calls for addressable systems in all except the smallest care homes, provides much greater emphasis on the existing need for a zone plan, calls for an ARC connection for care homes, and advises against use of a staff alarm (as far as summoning the FRS is concerned), so that when a fire alarm operates in a care home, the FRS should be summoned immediately.

Notwithstanding the above, the opportunity has been taken to make various other changes that were in the wings. These include deletion of Table 4 regarding extended ceiling heights for CAT P when there is rapid FRS attendance (given that in England it is now often a case of what attendance????). There is also a great extension to the heights at which aspirating systems can be provided. There is also clarification that the service technician is not responsible for identifying design defects or variations (after a poor old fire alarm fcompany faced a prosecution, (which was actually dropped in the end) because the FRS thought that, by telling the RP about some defects, it was incumbent on the service technician to carry out a design review).
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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2012, 07:59:20 AM »
Rather Sadly, i would like to read the draft copy in order to either make comment or have a better understanding of whats coming....

The only version i have found on the BSI website is a read only page by page, which leaves me tethered to the PC, and the highlighter makes the screen all messy.

Is there a PDF Download around? At least then my bedtime reading (Ok not quite that sad, train Journey really), neednt involve staring at a computer screen?

Cheers.

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2012, 11:48:03 AM »

You can read and comment on it, here:

http://drafts.bsigroup.com/Home/Details/47337

One of the earlier pages gives an overview of the 'changes'. If I've understood these right, they don't really seem to be enough to warrant a complete 'new edition'! Ooops!, there I go again. people will probably think I've 'got it in' for British Standards.  ::)
« Last Edit: October 24, 2012, 11:50:05 AM by Wiz »

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2012, 01:49:23 PM »
Is there not a down load to this draft that can be saved and read?  There normally is?  Has anyone found it?  I like to save the drafts and compare with the final version as its awlays interesting (ok very sad) to see what if any comments have been considered and if the final version has changed.

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2012, 09:39:55 PM »
You can buy it from BSI, Willie.
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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2012, 11:36:16 AM »
Its BSI's new way of ensuring that even less people comment on their work.

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2012, 03:44:56 PM »
Its BSI's new way of ensuring that even less people comment on their work.

Yeah I did think that?  They don't normally charge for drafts?  I wonder if you buy the draft if you get the amount discounted when you buy the full version....I suspect not....I'll wait till the final BS comes out.

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2012, 04:10:33 PM »
asking punters to buy a draft to comment on and so preventing cock-ups

that's like asking the people that put it together to pay for the priviledge

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2012, 07:13:06 PM »
Wee B if you civil servants took a pay cut, the Government could afford to give BSI the money they stopped paying them.  Ergo , it is all your fault.
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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2012, 09:53:07 AM »
It's a fair cop - I'll send the ferrari back to the car pool.

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2012, 11:56:39 PM »
I would- I always find Italian cars like most latins-a bit temperamental.  Speak to the minister and have him buy you German cars. Much better for your back because of the hard seats and suspension. I have never driven an American car yet that didnt given me backache. Anyhow, I think that BSI should be like the CLG- produce a load of sector specific fire safety guides that never went out for consultation and then wait for a few years to discover they are crap.
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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2012, 11:48:32 AM »
Anyhow, I think that BSI should be like the CLG- produce a load of sector specific fire safety guides that never went out for consultation and then wait for a few years to discover they are crap.

Agreed...the re writting of the HM Guides is long overdue

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2012, 11:58:27 AM »
My experience of British Standards is that they are generally very good.

I believe that they should be the one and only definitive set of codes/recommendations/guidance that are acceptable, to avoid any confusion.

I believe that they should be funded entirely by the UK Government/EU except for a charge of approx. £25 per document made for paper copies of any document to avoid wastage.

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Re: NEW EDITION OF BS 5839-1
« Reply #13 on: November 03, 2012, 09:29:35 PM »
Willie, there will be no more DCLG  FSO guides, as Government policy is that it is all down to localism and stakeholders.

Wizard-BSI used to receive government funding that is not now provided. Hence the cost of standards and the relucatance of BSI to publish a standard that will not be economically viable for them.
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