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Offline Debi1348

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FRA's in roof voids of Private domestic dwellings
« on: November 22, 2012, 01:04:29 PM »
I have been asked a question with regards to roof voids.
The scenario is:   A terrace of houses (individual dwellings) with separate roof voids.  The houses are leasehold, with a service charge being made to each.  The service/management company installed fire resistant breaks across the roof void, with the cost charged back to the tenants.  The tenants have now been informed that the service company wish to carry out a fire risk assessment of the roof voids, the fee for which will be charged back to them.  Question: Is the management company within their rights under the Fire Safety Order to carry out the FRA, or are the tenants within their rights to refuse?

My apologies if this has already been answered in the past, but any guidance would be very much appreciated.  Thanks

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Re: FRA's in roof voids of Private domestic dwellings
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2012, 01:51:10 PM »
Which part of the UK?
Do the tenants have normal access to the roof voids?
What is the design of the fire breaks?
Is there anything in the lease agreements relating to fire safety measures?  If so - what?
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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Re: FRA's in roof voids of Private domestic dwellings
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2012, 02:30:53 PM »
Well on the face of it I can't see any reason why single private dwellings need a Fire Risk Assessment of any kind under the RRO.... unless the plan is to convert them into something else

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Re: FRA's in roof voids of Private domestic dwellings
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2012, 03:25:55 PM »
Would agree. Unless they are HMOs which from your description I very much doubt they are (they are single domestic dwellings) the RRO wouldn't apply.

That said, the Housing Act will apply, and whilst I don't feel the tenants should cop for the cost, I welcome the fact that the freeholder is checking for potential fire spread between dwellings.

Do we know if they local housing authority has asked for this work to be done.

Are all the houses tenanted ?

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Re: FRA's in roof voids of Private domestic dwellings
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2012, 11:43:44 PM »
On the information you supply, it appears that the management company believe the roof space to be a common area to which the RR(FS)O applies. 

I would suggest that if the fire barriers between each dwelling are in good condition and if they do not contain doors that enable people to move from one dwelling's roof space to another's and if the barriers are in line with the walls that separate the dwellings then the roof space is not a common area and each dwelling has its own individual roof space to which the RR(FS)O does not apply.  Therefore no fire risk assessment is required.

On the other hand, I understand the management company wishing to check these fire barriers to ensure that their asset is protected adequately.  This does not necessarily mean that the homeowners have to pay the bill but this may be determined by the terms of the lease. 

The homeowners will benefit from this check, of course.  Their property will be protected.

One of my 'ifs' above was 'if the barriers are in good condition' and we have to ask, how do we know if they are in a condition that will ensure they will perform as intended unless they are checked from time to time?  This means that the applicability of the RR(FS)O cannot be ruled out.

On the whole, I'd say that, unless the homeowners are all absolutely certain that these fire barriers are still fit for purpose and that they do form effective fire barriers between dwellings, it would be a good idea to check them whether the issue falls under the RR(FS)O or not.

As for paying, check the terms of the lease.  Also, don't be ripped off by the assessor.  This is not a complex job and should be quite quick to undertake.  If you are not happy with the assessor that the management company is proposing ensure that other quotes are obtained.

Stu

 

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Re: FRA's in roof voids of Private domestic dwellings
« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2012, 09:54:50 AM »
Thank you all for your responses - your opinions gel with what has been discussed in the office with colleagues.  As most of you have mentioned the most pertinent point is what the lease agreement contains.

Thank you agin, much appreciated, Debs :)