RIBA submission to Dame Judith Hackitt's enquiry...

[Fishy]

... substantially deranged, but there are a few nuggets of good suggestions hidden amongst them...

https://www.architecture.com/knowledge-and-resources/knowledge-landing-page/riba-submits-evidence-and-recommendations-to-review-of-building-regulations-and-fire-safety

[colin todd]

Do they really think that blocks of flats had fire certificates.

[Animal]

Fishy. when you said 'substantially deranged' were you referring to the person who of course has carried out an impact assessment and a cost benefit analysis on the wonderful proposals to back them up?

[Messy]

"R4 Introduction of a Building Regulations requirement for central fire alarm systems, with phased /staged capabilities, in multiple occupancy residential buildings".

Central fire alarms? Does that mean when Mrs Smith burns her toast on the 23rd floor, everyone is turned out???

"R12 Retro-fitting of sprinklers/automatic fire suppression systems to existing residential buildings over 18m in height, and perhaps extended to all existing residential buildings above three storeys in height."

Fire detection and sprinklers everywhere will be a vandal's charter to cause chaos


However, I am glad to see the Fire Service getting a stronger role in applying fire safety - including booting down front doors to flats - aren't you Colin??

[Owain]

"R4 Introduction of a Building Regulations requirement for central fire alarm systems, with phased /staged capabilities, in multiple occupancy residential buildings".

Central fire alarms? Does that mean when Mrs Smith burns her toast on the 23rd floor, everyone is turned out???

Do they mean Houses of Multiple Occupancy (which Grenfell wasn't) or blocks of flats? And what about blocks of flats and terraced houses? Which is very common in Scotland. Will a 'building' be one close/entry (and of course the ground floor flats in that 'building' may be main door flats and not part of the common close) or will it be the entire terrace.

C-Tec Hush system already offers an option for local isolation / control of central alarms, so technically it would be quite possible.

"R12 Retro-fitting of sprinklers/automatic fire suppression systems to existing residential buildings over 18m in height, and perhaps extended to all existing residential buildings above three storeys in height."

Fire detection and sprinklers everywhere will be a vandal's charter to cause chaos

Again that will go down so well in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh's New Town (and a lot of other places).

However, I am glad to see the Fire Service getting a stronger role in applying fire safety - including booting down front doors to flats - aren't you Colin??

Perhaps a regulation against fitting security grilles and other non-bootable forms of ingress might also be required.

[Animal]

However, I am glad to see the Fire Service getting a stronger role in applying fire safety - including booting down front doors to flats - aren't you Colin??

Well of course we will see extra people drafted in to fire safety departments and then they will be sent to Morton in the Marsh for some very good training (once they put a course together) Have some of us been here before when the 71 FP act came out? 

[Tom Sutton]

Again that will go down so well in the World Heritage Site of Edinburgh's New Town (and a lot of other places).

Does this report apply to England/Wales and Scotland?

[colin todd]

Davey, I thought that in Lancs they already booted down doors.  Did you never do that in London?

[Owain]

Does this report apply to England/Wales and Scotland?

Probably not, I keep forgetting that things are different up here.

[colin todd]

Not just different Auntie Wainwright, but better.