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Offline jasper

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Fire Drills / Fire Precautions Checks
« on: December 15, 2005, 02:54:53 PM »
Hi all I have a couple of questions regarding drills and fp checks.
First of all is there any detailed (government) guidance on fire drills, we all know about the frequencies and time of exit, but is was detailed info as in ''if you have x amount of main exits / entrances to the building then x amount should be classed as unusable due to the location of the fire'' can anyone point me in the wright direction?
The second one is relating to fire precautions checks, as in moe for fire doors, final exits, storage of flammable materials etc. Is there any statute etc stating the frequencies?
Thanks in advance
Paul

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« Reply #1 on: December 15, 2005, 10:25:59 PM »
No statute - the days of prescripitive requiremets for frequency & type are over. There is instead a variety of differing guidance and you base your actions on that andthe risks present at your site.

If you are in a normal risk premises and are looking at discounting an exit due to the 'fire' then it should reflect likely occurances. Unless there is a catastrophic failure in precautions or a 1 in a million event like a plane crashing into you then regardless of building size (within reason) there should only be one exit from the fire floor or in a worst case situation one stairway blocked in most cases, unless you want to simulate multiple seat arson or a major explosion you shouldn't need to thus 'block' one floors exit or one stairwell.

In a perfect world everyone is always keeping an eye on precautions all the time, but normally recorded formal in house checks are weekly or daily (although again it's all risk specific).

Fire wardens training if good, usually goes a bit further than just action upon alarm to include FP, and they are usually useful for checking their areas, leaving facilities/building management to concentrate on circulation route & plant, plus site wide systems.

One premises we deal with has a system that after the weekly fire alarm test wardens send a checkbox ticket to the FM that not only confirms the sounders in their area worked, but they have carried out a check on extinguishers, MoE, doors, etc
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« Reply #2 on: December 15, 2005, 11:08:05 PM »
Paul,

In most general means of escape calculations it is assumed that there is only one fire. Therefore, its reasonable to take away only one exit in the calculation, on the basis that the fire will only affect one exit.  It is usual to take away the biggest if they vary in size.

This will depend on the layout of the premises etc, obviously if you have two exits immediately adjacent to one another then it you would reasonable to include both. Those fire exits left would then have to deal with your number of persons etc. If not limit the number of create additional fire exits.

There are no hard and fast rules on this, regarding your second query. It goes back to the fire risk assessment if its a place of work. The general principle of maintence ensuring that things are effective and working correctly.
For example; fire doors checks could vary 1 to 6 months to ensure they close fully into frame and are not damaged. This may vary on the use / risks i.e. in a school when any fire doors on corridors will be battered and bumped, they would need to check perhaps weekly or monthly or more often in comparison to a smaller place say an office, where they would not get the same punishment. Fire doors here could be checked less frequently.

Another example could be a fire exit door which it is known to swell a bit in wet weather. Obviously needs to be checked more frequently so that it can be opened in the winter months than the summer months.  Just illustrating the point on ignoring the traditional wet summer!!

This principal can be applied to many of the traditional passive fire protection measures and checks. (I have ignored active side of fire protection measures e.g. fire alarm and weekly checks) as I had the impression your question was more regarding passive measures?  

It will still come back to the fire risk assessment because of the local knowledge and use of the premises and in keeping with "suitable and sufficent" and what is "reasonable" from fire legislation requirements.

I have also kept things simple and ignored conditions as per any fire certificates as these will be gone in April.
Hope this helps.
Shaun
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