Fire Assembly Point

[PhilB]

Ken...no you are correct the MHSW Regs will still require co-operation and co-ordination to comply with the Relevant Stautory Provisions.........the bit saying "and by part II of the FPWP Regs" will be revoked.

The need to co-operate to comply with order will be dealt with separately by article 22.

That has been my point for a long time and one that my dear friend Mr Todd failed to grasp.

Come the RRFSO the management Regs will still be there...and will still require a suitable & sufficient RA to be carried out and the significant findings to be recorded.

The problem is that the new guidance for RRFSO have various different definitions of what significant findings are.....none of the definitions co-incide with that given in ACOP for MHSW Regs.


So the poor Mr Responsible person will not know what defintion to use. But it doesn't seem to matter because not many people....including CFOA, the authors of the guidance, and many FRS IOs that I have come across  seem to understand or care.

[Ken Taylor]

Article 15 refers to persons proceeding to a place opf safety and Article 22 requires co-operation and co-ordination with other employers in the premises. So this should cover shared assembly points as much as current law does.

I haven't heard whether Reg 11 of the MHSW Regs will be amended to simply delete the reference to the FP(W) Regs or to replace it by a reference to the RR(FS) Order - but, presumably this would be unnecessary in view of Article 22.

So, while the issue of fire risk assessments remains, I am not aware of a problem with co-operation and co-ordination - any more than at present! Unless I am missing something.

[PhilB]

There is no problem Ken other than at present it is only the safety of employees who need to be considered from October it will be the safety of relevant persons.

The revocation of MHSW Regs is contained in Scedule 5 of RRFSO.

[Ken Taylor]

I see that I have missed the reference to Reg 11 (1) in the revocations. Thanks, Phil.