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Offline hughskid

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« Reply #15 on: May 20, 2006, 09:23:44 PM »
Thanks for clarifying that Jokar, but do you know if there is any legislation that requires the notices to be put on the back of the door. I can only find guidance that states best practice etc.

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« Reply #16 on: May 20, 2006, 10:24:42 PM »
I think the simple answer is - no!
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« Reply #17 on: May 23, 2006, 12:11:23 PM »
They don't seem to feature in the RR(FS) Order either.  Presumably the guidance will have something to say on this?

As to the wisdom of putting notices on the back of doors, on the assumption that one is expected to read them at some proximity, I have always preferred the 'prominent location or conspicuous position approach'.

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« Reply #18 on: May 23, 2006, 10:06:18 PM »
We normally have them put next to fire points and break glass call points as a minimum, with staff notice boards also used by some occupiers in addition
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« Reply #19 on: May 24, 2006, 08:45:51 AM »
I agree, of course, with regard to, fire points and mcps, Anthony.

I was only referring to residential/ hotel rooms as per the original question. By the mirror (not the newspaper) can be fairly conspicuous (provided the mirror isn't on the back of the door).

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« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2006, 07:28:55 AM »
There is no prescribed requirement for signs under fire precaution legislation nor health and safety legislation, Exit signs are prescribed under Buiding Regulations Guidance and reference to BS5499 series of Standards is made. The requirement for any sign or notice is determined by the formal risk assessment. If the requirement to communicate can be acheived by management another way then that can be perfectly acceptable. There are requirements to communicate,inform,instruct,identify,locate and give repeated information about significant fire safety measures,procedures,practices,equipment and escape route. The method you chose is totally discretionary.

My personal opinion is that good signing , conforming to British and International Standard can make a major contribution to a good Fire Safety Strategy and Management System.

As I have said many times before the crap that we show over doors at the moment and in new guidance documents when you would have thought  that the BRE and ODPM would be competent people in this respect. It casts real doubts about the validitity of the whole set of documents if they can not get something as simple as escape route signing correct?

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« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2006, 11:06:09 AM »
Quote from: Jim Creak
As I have said many times before, the crap that we show over doors at the moment
Jim what would you like to see instead of the crap that we show over doors?
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2006, 08:09:02 PM »
The Guide on 'Large Places of Assembly' speaks of 'Fire Action' notices and then illustrates this with a sign giving the details on calling the Fire Service - not the one which says 'Raise the alarm - leave the building - do not use lifts - go to assembly point'  which I would have expected. This is an error but exactly whose slip I know not.

If you are referring to the Euro-based 'Running person' figure as crap, I can tale you a tale about that. I queried the 'runner' soon after the signs were proposed with one of our UK representatives (the one from FRS/BRE) on the European Committee which produced these signs. I was told that the entire UK delegation argued strongly for months that the signs should show someone walking, not running, on the grounds that for many years in the UK people had been encouraged to leave buildings using a brisk walk and that running was actively discouraged. We were outvoted on this one and the runner sign was imposed upon us.
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