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Offline dills05

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« on: March 30, 2007, 01:51:54 PM »
Hi,

I am currently in the application process for the Defence Fire Service.

I have tried to research as much as i can regarding this service, including speaking to local Defence firemen. However, I don't feel like I still fully understand their role. My main concern is that Defence Fireman have a lot less to do that normal LA firefighters, i.e. they don't receive the same number of 'call-outs'. Some clarification of the role would be much appreciated!

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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2007, 02:30:56 PM »
Basically they cover mostly military/MOD sites eg some R.A.F. airfields.I cannot speak for all sites,but I spent 5 years on a busy military airfield, and I went to more incidents in my first week as a local authority firefighter.

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« Reply #2 on: March 31, 2007, 12:36:50 AM »
Thanks for shedding some more light on this Pip :).

How difficuilt is it to transfer from Defence fire service to a local authority service? Would it be worth applying for Defence and spending some time there, then seeking a transfer, or smiply ditching my application with the Defence fire service and applying for a local authority fire service?

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« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2007, 11:17:22 PM »
The DFS have different roles on different stations. It all depends where you have applied to join? If you know?

On an airfield you are in a crash firefighter role similar to an civil airfield however you will be reponsible for military aircraft big and small and some with rotors. In one of the storage facilities or domestic sites you are more like a local authority Ff & at the USAF stations you do all of the above and more.

If you are looking for loads of shouts then forget it. Depending on what station you are on will determine how many you get.

Mind you local authority are getting quiet these days as most don't answer calls to fire alarms anymore. As for transfering, you should be able to under IPDS but if you read the posts on this forum it doesn't always work like that. some don't even let you join the retained! Yet you do the same training. If you want to be a firefighter then I'd steer clear of local authority as you'll probably spend more time doing 'community' work like putting up smoke alarms or handing out leaflets. When you do get a working job you'll find that the mass of white hats that we now have in the service will prevent you doing anything other than watching.

Good Luck

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« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2007, 01:20:24 PM »
Pete,

Thanks a lot for that response, it was very helpful. I am applying to the wiltshire arm of the defence fire service, which will be covering RAF Lyneham.

I gather from what you are saying then that the Defence Fire service is a better option?

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« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2007, 03:09:33 PM »
I am not sure whether you can transfer direct from Defence Fire Services-but things are constantly changing.My local authority accepted transfers as long as the applicant had completed a L.A. recruits course (as is the case for some A.W.E. fire service  FF's).The role of the L.A. FF is changing, a lot of work done on prevention,but they will still go to far more call outs than a D.F.S. Post, and of more variety.I would be tempted to apply for both,and see what happens.Many years ago I applied to two L.A. services,past tests,got  interviews but no job.Spent 5 years in R.A.F fire service (lots of BIG trucks to drive-but no fires-one aircrash on the field during my time-I worked every other day and it was on a day off!),then came straight into L.A.-it gave me a good background.The process has changed, as there is now a national standard in recruiting and selection.You may find that in the DFS you could become a paramedic or similar as well,as part of your duties.I suggest you try and visit a Wholetime fire station in a town, as well as a DFS station

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« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2007, 04:22:50 PM »
You cannot transfer across from DFS to Lacal Authority.

You would have to undergo the same selection process as everybody else.

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« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2007, 09:39:59 AM »
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You cannot transfer across from DFS to Lacal Authority.

You would have to undergo the same selection process as everybody else.
Be careful there... some LA brigades allow DFS firefighters to transfer directly in - but it does depend on each individual brigade. Some will ask for a certain ammount of training to be done with them, others will just require a week on station familiaristaion course.

Its all to to with your rolemaps / IPDS etc

Defence Firefighters undego training to the vast majority of home office (or DCLG as it is now I suppose) standard training as their LA counterparts.

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« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2007, 10:31:33 AM »
The DFS is a good way to get into the Fire Service, basically you will be trained to Home Office standards, same as LA Firefighters, IPDS should be in place soon!!( same old story DFS always last with everything ) You would at present be on a basic course which will start you off on the NVQ Level 3 which all LA Fire services will recognise. So get your training, complete your NVQ all paid for by the DFS and transfer to the LA.( LA Brigades will take you as you will save them about £25 000 in basic training costs )

I recently applied for the DFS without success apparently not meeting the correct PQA to be a Firefighter. Strange thing is i work at an airbase within the MOD estate holding all the DFS CTE manston qualifications. I have been speaking to LA Brigades in my area reference a Brigade transfer, i now have three applications to tranfer being processed, LA Brigades i have spoken to recognise my DFS CTE Manston qualifications.

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« Reply #9 on: November 19, 2007, 05:36:59 PM »
I have read with some interest several articles on the MOD Fire Services, going back over 40 years when I joined the Air Force Department Fire Service, there were more fire services in the MOD than you could shake a stick at, as well as the AFDFS there was the Army Fire Service, Royal Navy Fire Prevention Service (officers only),  RAF Fire Service (servicemen) Dockyards Brigades,  Royal Navy Handlers/Fireman (servicemen) PE Firemen (places like Farnborough) contractors like Shorts and Airworks, as well as local employed civilians on bases overseas, bet I have left some out.

As for training AFDFS, PE, and contractors trained at CTE Manston, Army Fire Service at Reigate (Surrey Fire Service) RAF at Catterick. AFDFS and RAF driving at St Athan (mixed courses) RN at Currose??? Transferring to other MOD fire services was not easy if you trained at a different training school, on the closure of Thorney Island, (that was another problem bases were always closing down) I tried to transfer to the Army Fire Service, guess what they did not recognise the AFDFS training I was qualified to Sub Officer with the AFDFS I was told if I wanted to join the Army Fire Service I had to sit the entrance exam and do all the courses which I eventually did. On the other hand PE if I wanted to work for them would recognise all my courses at Manston. But having a young family it was a question of location. Servicemen on leaving the RAF Fire Service and joining the AFDFS had to do the basic course at CTE Manston.

Reading some articles why some RAF airfields are service manned and other civilian manned, this is my opinion, it is nothing to do with the type of base or the aircraft they fly, bases like Wattisham flew Lightning’s the state of the art aircraft of the day, were civilian manned, bases like Northolt and Odiham that did not operate combat aircraft were service manned, in the days of the cold war V bombers would be dispersed to airfields that could handle them, civilian and service manned. Everyone had signed the official secrets act any way. I believe that the MOD had planned to phase out the service fireman in the RAF (like the army, there is no trade in the army as fireman, all army fireman are civilian) but they had overlooked one thing, civilians could strike, or just walk off the job, in this present climate why should anyone want to leave a good job, well paid, good shifts, good pension, but it was not always like that, poor pay, long hours, awful shifts. In the mid 1960s there were many good well paid jobs going begging. A fireman could leave his £13-13-0 a week job (that was the wage in 1965) and get one the next day paying more. Because of the poor shift pattern in the autumn of 1965 two civilian manned stations Wattisham and Thorney Island decided to work their own shifts, this was a wake up call for the MOD after this I cannot think of one major RAF flying station that was civilianised. They would be stretched but there are enough service firemen to man all the important RAF flying stations, without the civilian element of the Defence Fire Service.

During the 27 years I spent in the now named Defence Fire Service, I have worked on airfields, RAF and USAF, Military Port, and an Army Storage Depot. I have attended courses at CTE Manston, Surrey Fire Brigade Training School at Reigate, RAF St Athan, RAF Catterick, and HMS Phoenix. Spent 4 weeks detached to the FGSU at CTE Manston Taken part in many exercises with local Authority Fire Services, been on detachment to many RAF service manned stations. It is a much better job now than when I stated or even when I retired, when I joined 6 applied for 7 vacancies, when I retired 300+ applied for 3 vacancies it is now a lottery just to get in. If someone asked me to recommend a fire service to join, I would say an airport fireman on a large civil airport such as Gatwick, they are not going to close as many MOD stations do, or have cut backs to pay for the next pay rise as LA do.

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« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2007, 09:17:14 PM »
Nice one Dave, nice to read an honest descripton of the MOD Fire services without any bitterness.