Assimilation for training Sub Officers

[burgermuncher999]

This one is directed at anyone working within a LAFB training dept. Have any Sub Officer trainers undergone assimilation to the new role structure and if so what is your pay point within the role based structure. I am a serving SubO working within the training dept at Cheshire Fire Service and have been assimilated 'for pay purposes only' at Watch Manager 'A'. I have been made aware that some Brigades are assimilating SubO trainers to Watch Manager 'B'. I am collecting intelligence as our current assimilation 'for pay purposes only' is an interim measure with the final determination yet to be made.
I am also interested to know how different Brigades can place persons performing in the same role on a different pay structure when the function of IPDS is to provide for transferrability of skill by utilising National Occupational Standards set against national rates of pay for the role being undertaken.
Yours in anticipation.
Mike Anderson. (IPDS anorak)

[dave bev]

mike - time to remove the anorak - im at an 'officer' meeting in cheshire end of the month, why not try to attend as an observer - it might help??

you are right in that employees undertaking the same role should be on the same rate of pay (forget assimilation - thats over and done with, we're now looking to move substantively to role allocation)

however, job sizing - not what you do, but how much of it you do, will determine 'a' or 'b', so yes a watch manager in a training job could be on pay rate 'a' in one brigade and pay rate 'b' in another - the day of reckoning is almost upon us!

i am also aware that some peeps in training are receiving an additional 'trainers allowance' sort of an ARP - linked i understand to their willingness to work outside of their normal work pattern



dave bev

[rips]

dave, can you let me know if there is any thing in the pipeline about guidance or a role map to give a role to trainers. I keep hearing there is guidance on the way, but I thought all the role maps are now out?

Hope you can help. Thanks

[dave bev]

yes,possibly/no/?,yes

does that help ?

yes i can let you know

possibly there may be guidance - but probably not the type you are looking for (there are rolemaps under development but thats because anyone can develop a role map for any industry - the trick is then to get it agreed by the njc in our case) /no there are no more 'grey book' rolemaps under development or likely to be agreed - all roe,s fit within the issued and agreed rolemaps / trainers have a role - that of trainers - their rolemap is simply whatever whatever role they are allocated. job descriptions together with a functional job analysis would help to place the job accurately.

yes all the njc agreed rolemaps are out (and there isnt likely to be any new ones in the foreseable future - not just my word look at the fsc ipds website for the other sides view! - if there is another side of course) also previous minutes from fire service vocational standards group (now called something else) also make the same statement

hope this helps?

dave bev

[rips]

thanks Dave, knew you would come up with a sensible answer. Hope to see you again soon. it a long time since I saw you at Moreton.

[dave bev]

now youve got me worried - me, giving sensible answers! LOL i only gave daft ones at the college of knowledge cos i was bored most of the time! if you email me at oncs@fbu.org.uk you can give me a clue as to what course we were on, so i can remember the days of yore!

dave bev

[rips]

done

[dave bev]

and sorted!

dave bev

[fireftrm]

PS All this assimilation, always reminds me of the immortal words of the Borg, just before you are assimilated - "Resistance is futile"

[dave bev]

infamy, infamy, theyve all got it in for me!!

dave bev