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Offline kwc

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« on: August 04, 2008, 11:51:19 PM »
Hi All,
Only my second post.
I work for a small company who install mainly intruder alarms (my background) but we do install fire alarms.

My involvement with the fire alarms is to service them when required and sometimes to handover the system to the customer.

My question is, What level of responsiblity is on me regarding the law?

On a service visit i test each call point and sensor head, check batteries,supplies, sounders and control indicators.
On a handover i show the user how to test call points and how to reset the system.

I don't want to sound like a cowboy and i have worked on alarms for 28 years but i know there must be more legal responsiblity for a fire alarm than an intruder alarm.

I am reading as much as i can on this forum and iam picking up a few things.

Do fire engineers have to have a certificate to show their competence? If so can anyone shed any light on this please.

This may seem like the company i work for is a bit shoddy(we are NACOSS Gold approved) but i have no background in fire alarms and the company says its Ok!

Kev

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« Reply #1 on: August 09, 2008, 02:45:48 PM »
What I would say KWC is on any conventional system when you check make sure you remove the detector and check you get a fault , we have had a long post on head removal and you don't want to find out later after you have serviced a system none of the heads report fault . This is quite a common occurrence , so servicing goes beyond spraying the detectors.
My personal opinion of the trade is that every engineer should be trade tested ,whether employed or self employed .
Its time to make a counter attack !

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« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2008, 03:10:24 PM »
The industry is not regualted as such, although the Institution of Fire Engineers is an organisation that Fire Engineers tend to join to demonstrate competancy, but it is not a legal requirement.

Fire alarm sytems should be designed, installed, comissioned and serviced as per the recommendations of British Standard 5839. But again, it is recommendations and not actually a legal requirement.  Most of the responsibility actually lies with the people who run buildings to specify it correctly.

Fire alarm engineers do not need a certificate.

I think most of us on here would like things to be strictly regualted, but they are not.

If you want to learn more, get a copy of British Standard 5830 Part 1 2002 and read it, it is easier to read than you might think.  That should cover all aspects of fire alarms for commerical premises.  Domestic premises need different parts.

IFE exams are a lot of effort and probably over the top for fire alarm engineers as they cover so much more than fire alarms.

Good on you for making the effort to fid out about this.

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« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2008, 03:11:17 PM »
PS Don't worry, nobody is going to call you a cowboy on here.  Cowboys don't use FireNet :lol:

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2008, 03:17:33 PM »
Quote from: Chris Houston
PS Don't worry, nobody is going to call you a cowboy on here.  Cowboys don't use FireNet :lol:
Chris I am confused , I am sure there is a post with a diagram of a horse shown ?
Its time to make a counter attack !

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« Reply #5 on: August 09, 2008, 03:22:31 PM »
;) Are the rumours that people are demonstrating competancy by advertising as a "FireNet Senior Member" untrue?

(PS This is a joke before anyone gets upset).

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2008, 05:05:13 PM »
Chris, isnt it only cowboys that call it BS5830 instaed of 5839??????????     its a joke, before you get annoyed!

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« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2008, 11:24:40 PM »
Hi All,
Thanks again for the replies.
I just want to do my job the best i can.
We use ctec panels and i see that they offer training (free) on their products.

I have some holidays left and i may contact them to see if i can attend for a day to get the training for myself.

Thank
Kev

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« Reply #8 on: August 10, 2008, 12:12:08 AM »
ooops 5839 is the correct number. Other number was a typo.

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« Reply #9 on: August 10, 2008, 08:18:56 PM »
Quote from: kwc
Hi All,
Thanks again for the replies.
I just want to do my job the best i can.
We use ctec panels and i see that they offer training (free) on their products.

I have some holidays left and i may contact them to see if i can attend for a day to get the training for myself.

Thank
Kev
i would not take it as one of your holidays. It is in your companies best interest to keep their engineers up to date and they should let you go on work time.


PM me your e-mail and i will send you loads of guides to help you as i admire that you are keen to learn and want to do things right. Alot just jump on the fire bandwagon for the ££ and are not interested in standards.

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« Reply #10 on: August 10, 2008, 09:20:03 PM »
Hi Graeme,
I have just joined and i don't think i can send PM as i do not get the option to as yet.
Thanks for the offer, I will be glad of some help.
Kev

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« Reply #11 on: August 10, 2008, 09:27:08 PM »
click on my name and use send e-mail option.

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« Reply #12 on: August 10, 2008, 09:37:56 PM »
Okay, Done that thanks

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« Reply #13 on: August 10, 2008, 10:16:08 PM »
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« Reply #14 on: August 11, 2008, 04:13:16 PM »
Hi Graeme,
I have not had your email yet and i can't click on your name to send email to you.
Kev