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Offline GB

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« on: September 19, 2008, 09:52:26 AM »
Can someone guide me to the heights when a dry riser should be used - min & max and when a wet riser is required? I have looked within the technical standards with no success.

I have a domestic project in Scotland with a dry riser that may require a pressure for firefighting from the pumping appliance to the service the outlet on the uppermost storey - would be beyond the test pressure of the fire service hose of 10 Bar.

Offline nearlythere

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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2008, 10:20:53 AM »
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Can someone guide me to the heights when a dry riser should be used - min & max and when a wet riser is required? I have looked within the technical standards with no success.

I have a domestic project in Scotland with a dry riser that may require a pressure for firefighting from the pumping appliance to the service the outlet on the uppermost storey - would be beyond the test pressure of the fire service hose of 10 Bar.
I take it this is this a block of flats.

BS5588 Pt1.
b) Internal fire mains should be installed in accordance with BS 9990:2006.  If the highest floor does not
exceed 60 m above ground level, dry fire mains may be installed, but if 60 m is exceeded wet fire mains
should be installed.
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

Offline afterburner

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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2008, 10:33:20 AM »
GB, the pressure and flow needed at the top most outlet must be sufficient to operate a firefighting jet. (normally around about 7 bar but of course lower pressures will produce a jet). So, the first question is 'what minimum pressure does the attending fire & rescue service need at the topmost outlet?' Having got this little detail fixed the next question is can the F&RS achieve this by pumping into a dry riser? If, the F&RS cannot pump to achieve the pressure you have no alterantive but to consider a wet riser with appropriate booster pumps.
If we accept that pressure loss due to head is 0.1bar/metre head, the difference between 10 bar inlet pressure and 7 bar (nominal target) outlet pressure would suggest pressure loss of 3 bar or 30 metres. However Technical standards allow a dry riser up to 60 metres which would suggest that a 3.5 bar outlet pressure satisfies the Technical Standards. Would the F&RS accept this pressure? You are now schmoozing up to Regulation 23(1) of the Fire Safety (Scotland) Regulations 2006 if the F&RS are unhappy.
Lastly, I have fought fires off a dry riser 12 floors above ground level, but the hydrant pressures and flow rates were superb.

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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2008, 10:35:15 AM »
The advice changed to 50m. this was following some research on the issue which was then picked up by ADB and BS 9991. I expect the Scots will follow suit, if they havent already done so.