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Offline jokar

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BS 9999
« on: November 21, 2008, 07:07:03 PM »
Has anyone used this document yet for a submission or has anyone received a submission?  I am interested in how people have laid out there proposals and whether it has ben used for single or multi storey premises.

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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2008, 07:09:54 PM »
Jokar

To use it you have to understand it............ ???

Offline Paul

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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2008, 12:05:27 AM »
Again,

Been away from this blog for far too long and starting to enjoy it again ( sad but true)!!

I only downloaded it yesterday and I have to say what I have read of it is just what I have been waiting for.  All really indepth stuff and puts some meat on the bones of what has been out there in terms of guidnace of late.

I fully intend to use it, once I have got to grips of the working of it, and assuming there are no silly mistakes.
On th aface of it seems to be a good bit of work??

No doubt, someone with far more time on their hands will indeed tell us that its not worthy.

Happy reading

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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2008, 08:52:29 PM »
May be Mr Todd can answer, is it worth buying this now or will there be an updated version in the near future?
I refuse to have a battle of wittts with an unarmed person.

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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2008, 10:22:55 PM »
Buy it and give it to your kids for xmas. Some of the principles look as though they had been written by schoolboys.
Colin Todd, C S Todd & Associates

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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2008, 10:53:13 PM »
Is it really that bad.
I refuse to have a battle of wittts with an unarmed person.

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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2008, 11:09:59 PM »
That's what I meant by writing books guys, if some one had enough experience tope it up with some research, he can write the history of fire safety standards, how did it started and developed, while describing each stage, and what makes the changes..., till we reach today’s standards, this is a good topic, I would be interested in reading such things! I personally haven't got a clue!  ::)

BS5839 then BS (A1, A2,...) then BS9999...etc what's going on guys I haven't got a clue !
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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2008, 11:18:58 PM »
Thomas, No not quite that bad to be fair. Its a case of two things, namely emperors new clothes and never mind the engineering, feel the concept. Conceptually, it is great. I really mean that. However, the practical way it interprets the concepts is, in a number of respects severely flawed by over simplistic approach by the authors, who clearly thought it needed to have wee tables and every time you increase risk or decrease it you move up or down a table. Alas , the compensation you get or the increase in precautions you get dont always make any practical sense whatsoever. Then, they waffle about how you will have good management to compensate, but their Level 2 management is simply what you need to satisfy legislation, their level 3 management is illegal and their level 1 doesnt really add much that will reduce risk over and above level 2-it just looks neat and elegant to have these levels. Need I go on.............
Colin Todd, C S Todd & Associates

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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #8 on: November 23, 2008, 11:27:35 AM »
That's what I meant by writing books guys, if some one had enough experience tope it up with some research, he can write the history of fire safety standards, how did it started and developed, while describing each stage, and what makes the changes..., till we reach today’s standards, this is a good topic, I would be interested in reading such things! I personally haven't got a clue!  ::)

BS5839 then BS (A1, A2,...) then BS9999...etc what's going on guys I haven't got a clue !

Benzerari
I was interested for a number of years in researching fire legislation which led me on to write a web site about it.
I have put some of the historical information with a timeline up to 2004. Any additions from the forum members would be appreciated.
The history page can be found at http://forum.fire.org.uk/leg-history.php
Hope this helps
Colin

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Re: BS 9999
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2008, 04:59:44 AM »
That's what I meant by writing books guys, if some one had enough experience tope it up with some research, he can write the history of fire safety standards, how did it started and developed, while describing each stage, and what makes the changes..., till we reach today’s standards, this is a good topic, I would be interested in reading such things! I personally haven't got a clue!  ::)

BS5839 then BS (A1, A2,...) then BS9999...etc what's going on guys I haven't got a clue !

Benzerari
I was interested for a number of years in researching fire legislation which led me on to write a web site about it.
I have put some of the historical information with a timeline up to 2004. Any additions from the forum members would be appreciated.
The history page can be found at http://forum.fire.org.uk/leg-history.php
Hope this helps
Colin

Thanks colin for this bit...