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Graeme

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« on: November 17, 2008, 08:27:07 PM »
I have came across a newly upgraded FD+A system in sheltered accomodation which consists of 4 floors of communal corridors and stairwells to self contained flats with a kitchen,living room,bathroom and bedroom.
All areas of this site are served by one fire alarm system.

I have noticed that the kitchens within each flat do not have heat detection and i have been told that they have been omitted by a risk assessment that deemed them not necessary. I found this a bit odd but interested to hear anyones views on here.

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« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2008, 08:30:25 PM »
Quote from: Graeme
I have came across a newly upgraded FD+A system in sheltered accomodation which consists of 4 floors of communal corridors and stairwells to self contained flats with a kitchen,living room,bathroom and bedroom.
All areas of this site are served by one fire alarm system.

I have noticed that the kitchens within each flat do not have heat detection and i have been told that they have been omitted by a risk assessment that deemed them not necessary. I found this a bit odd but interested to hear anyones views on here.

thanks
Probably the kitchens will be converted to rooms or offices so far :)

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« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2008, 08:30:54 PM »
Would not be needed on new build under building regulations.
Colin Todd, C S Todd & Associates

Graeme

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« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:54 PM »
Colin  it's not a new build but a site that has had the fire alarm upgraded.

why would it not be required on a new build out of interest?

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« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2008, 09:21:44 PM »
Graeme,
On a new build sheltered housing scheme the dwelling units would normally be treated as self-contained flat (in most situations). As self-contained flats, the requirement would be to provide a mains wired smoke detector in each unit (part 6 system). Detection may be provided in the common areas but only to activate AOVs (if required) therefore for a code compliant sheltered housing scheme the requirements in terms of detection are minimal.
I have seen many schemes that have detection within each unit that is linked back to a wardens central monitoring system and additionally have detection in the common areas. However these are over and above the requirements of the Building Regulations and are often provided as part of a good management plan and in recognition of the vulnerability of the occupants. (Elderly and often in need of assistance)
You say your scheme does not have detection in the kitchen, this seems like a reasonable approach to prevent false alarms, however a heat detector would also help prevent false alarms and provide some additional protection.
It is not possible to say detection is or is not required in your scheme because it may be that the layout of the units, common escape, compartmentation, etc etc are at odd with the guidance for new self-contained flats. The detection may be a compensatory feature for lack of provision elsewhere. If this the case then the level of detection becomes very subjective.

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« Reply #5 on: November 18, 2008, 10:10:36 PM »
many thanks BCO

The system in place before did have HD in all the kitchens. Do you mean remove HD in the  kitchen to prevent unwanted alarms from a sudden build up in heat in such a small room when the oven door is opened for example?

Why not adjust the sensitivity of the HD rather than not have one?  

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« Reply #6 on: November 20, 2008, 10:47:41 PM »
Graeme,
Yes I think heat detection in the kitchen would be a benefit. Can’t say I am familiar with false alarms caused by oven door opening, so not sure I can help on that one. However, if the heat detector could be provided and adjusted to prevent false alarms it would be better than not having any detection in the kitchen.