Author Topic: Fire Alarm Fire  (Read 6519 times)

Offline Tom Sutton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2287
Fire Alarm Fire
« on: July 22, 2009, 03:45:50 PM »
Fire Alarm Fire

Quote
I recently had a fire engineer that came and serviced and tested my fire panel. Whilst he was fiddling around inside the panel, the panel caught fire. I was informed that the battery was faulty and we were lucky we hadn't had a power cut as the battery would have caught fire.
 
A few weeks later, another company came to instruct the staff with their annual fire prevention lecture, video and extinguishers. This engineer claimed that it was unlikely to have caused a fire. He claimed that it would be more likely to have caught fire because it had been wired incorrectly.

Which is more likely?

I received this enquiry to day any observations.

All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

Offline David Rooney

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • http://ctafire.co.uk
Re: Fire Alarm Fire
« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 04:15:45 PM »
Depending on the age and quality of the panel if he connected the batteries up wrong polarity he could have caused a bang.... but most panels these days are protected against that.

If he's suggesting a mains failure would have then meant the panel drawing current from the batteries causing the problem then I guess he's implying the charger circuitry must be faulty which isn't beyond the realms...

I've seen batteries rupture through overcharging etc but I've still never seen one catch fire on discharge....

Has he replaced the panel... charger... batteries or everything ??
CTA Fire - BAFE SP203 - F Gas Accredited - Wireless Fire Alarm System Specialists - Established 1985 - www.ctafire.co.uk
Natural Born Cynic

Offline Wiz

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1591
Re: Fire Alarm Fire
« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 04:20:02 PM »
Fire Alarm Fire

Quote
I recently had a fire engineer that came and serviced and tested my fire panel. Whilst he was fiddling around inside the panel, the panel caught fire. I was informed that the battery was faulty and we were lucky we hadn't had a power cut as the battery would have caught fire.
 
A few weeks later, another company came to instruct the staff with their annual fire prevention lecture, video and extinguishers. This engineer claimed that it was unlikely to have caused a fire. He claimed that it would be more likely to have caught fire because it had been wired incorrectly.

Which is more likely?

I received this enquiry to day any observations.


I presume that we are talking about a SLA battery.

I have never known these to catch fire themselves. Even those that have been overcharging. But anything is possible, I suppose. Was the battery damaged by the flames? Did the battery end up with a hole in it somewhere? (This is what I'd expect to see in something that caught alight internally)

Because you say that the incident happened whilst someone was fiddling about in the panel and that the panel caught fire, I would more likely believe that the battery supply was shorted and caused enough heat to create a fire in the panel wiring or components.

Even a wimpy-sounding 12V 7AH capacity can supply a hefty old current in a short-circuit scenario. Battery circuits are normally fused to prevent such short-circuits but if you short the wrong side of the fuse then expect sparks to fly.

A demonstration of this power would be to drop a spanner across the terminals of a 12V car battery* - the spanner is likely to melt!

* I strongly recommend only trying the above under proper test conditions with all appropriste safety protections and clothing available. Actually, I don't recommend it at all unless you know what you are doing!
« Last Edit: July 22, 2009, 04:30:28 PM by Wiz »

Offline Allen Higginson

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1131
Re: Fire Alarm Fire
« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 05:38:50 PM »
I reckon this may be a case of touching something they shouldn't and then covering their butts by blinding with science.
I did have a case a few years back on an olk Minitector extinguisher system with LCP7 batteries installed.They had a power cut and when it came back on you are meant to carry out a reset procedure (which the customer wasn't aware of).
Smoke then flames,fire put out by a portable extinguisher!

Offline Tom Sutton

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 2287
Re: Fire Alarm Fire
« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 07:25:45 PM »
Yes David he replaced the lot and charged the owner £500 for his trouble and said the batteries were faulty which had caused the problem.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

Offline David Rooney

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 891
    • http://ctafire.co.uk
Re: Fire Alarm Fire
« Reply #5 on: July 22, 2009, 10:16:37 PM »
Yes David he replaced the lot and charged the owner £500 for his trouble and said the batteries were faulty which had caused the problem.

I'm inclined to agree with Buzz....... I'd guess he's shorted something out....
CTA Fire - BAFE SP203 - F Gas Accredited - Wireless Fire Alarm System Specialists - Established 1985 - www.ctafire.co.uk
Natural Born Cynic

Graeme

  • Guest
Re: Fire Alarm Fire
« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 07:01:01 AM »
yes agreed. done it myself but owned up to it. :-[