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Offline Bugle

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Fire extinguisher
« on: November 18, 2010, 03:11:52 PM »
I've been asked to comment on which type of Foam Fire extinguisher to use in an area of a plastics factory that uses ethanol based printing ink to print onto Polyethelyne plasic bags.

Would you suggest AFFF or an alcohol resistant foam.



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Re: Fire extinguisher
« Reply #1 on: November 18, 2010, 04:25:46 PM »
Ethanol - probably best to use ARF (Alcohol Resistant Foam)

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Re: Fire extinguisher
« Reply #2 on: November 18, 2010, 06:47:29 PM »
Yes. FFFP-AR through a foam branchpipe would be most effective, you may get away with AFFF-AR via a non aspirated spray but application rates are much higher.

Or of course you could just use CO2 for the printing machines and Powder for spills, which will be cheaper & easier in the long run than tracking down a supplier of AR foam branchpipe extinguishers (although I can help in that regard.... ;) )
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Re: Fire extinguisher
« Reply #3 on: November 25, 2010, 04:49:27 PM »
Be very careful before recommending or installing a DP extinguisher. Printing machines, and particularly plastics printing machines cost several arms and legs. You won’t be thanked if they become contaminated by dry powder as the likely hood is that the machine will have to be scrapped or at the least completely stripped down and rebuilt. 

I’ve seen AFFF foams used to good effect on alcohol fires by increasing the concentration of foam concentrate in the water foam mix. I think it was doubled but it would be worth talking to the manufacturers. I’ve always found Angus to be very helpful with this sort of enquiry. 

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Re: Fire extinguisher
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2010, 10:10:08 PM »
Yes, very true, Powder does rather mess up machinery of this sort, particularly ABC which loves to fuse into a globby mess when heated.

The last two national newspaper printers I visited in the late 90's used CO2, BCF & CBM (yes!) with AFFF or FP foam, and only BC powder and that in areas other than the big print lines. It was the only place outside steelworks & helipads where I've seen trolley mounted CO2.

It's quite correct to suggest changing the proportions used and what you can get away with depends on the exact polar solvent as some are not as destructive as others - i've used standard AFFF Spray on neat isopropanol fires to good effect, just needed to use slightly increased amounts and been aware that the seal breaks up far quicker so kept an eye on re-flash risks.

Angus Fire are the best source of advice, all my Foam & Polar solvent knowledge comes from them and their amazing amount of detailed free technical info (at least in the days before being absorbed by THEM) and have had the pleasure of visiting their factory for a day in the past and got to play with a variety of their kit.

Personally I'd still play it safe with AR-AFFF in the standard extinguishers as a minimum to ensure that you still get the benefit of post-extinction security & progressive knockdown as well as the non fire spill control benefit.
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