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Offline fitter

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Automatic test systems for emergency escape lighting.
« on: February 06, 2012, 09:43:25 AM »
With the increased use of automatic test systems for escape lighting, it would seem on the face of it that local test switches for escape lighting systems serve little purpose. Does anyone know if they can be omitted from automatic systems? I cannot find a reference to this in either BS EN 62034 or BS 5266.
Also, are there plans to sort out the mess that is the BS's and BS EN's for emergency escape lighting. Far too many documents covering a fairly straightforward facility. Or is this another exercise in revenue generation for the BSI?
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Re: Automatic test systems for emergency escape lighting.
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 09:50:56 AM »
Also, are there plans to sort out the mess that is the BS's and BS EN's for emergency escape lighting. Far too many documents covering a fairly straightforward facility. Or is this another exercise in revenue generation for the BSI?
Quite right. You only have to look at BS9999 to see the vast difference in levels of cover from BS5266. Which one is it?
Is BSI out of control, lost its way or just churning out standards for the hell of it?
« Last Edit: February 07, 2012, 11:25:23 AM by nearlythere »
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Re: Automatic test systems for emergency escape lighting.
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2012, 01:22:40 PM »
Also, are there plans to sort out the mess that is the BS's and BS EN's for emergency escape lighting. Far too many documents covering a fairly straightforward facility. Or is this another exercise in revenue generation for the BSI?
Quite right. You only have to look at BS9999 to see the vast difference in levels of cover from BS5266. Which one is it?
Is BSI out of control, lost its way or just churning out standards for the hell of it?

Errrr all of the above ??!
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Re: Automatic test systems for emergency escape lighting.
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2012, 12:55:36 PM »
In my experience, "BSI" doesn't write it's own standards. The donkey-work tends to be done by 'volunteers', who sit on the committees managing the various standards.  The constitution of these committees varies, but as regards fire standards it tends to be mostly people representing interested (and relevant) trade associations, with a sprinkling of CFOA, IFE, testing lab's, certification bodies & sometimes major users.  If you belong to a trade association, you might find that they have/had a seat at the table.  BSI just administers the process & checks that the committee doesn't stray outside its rules & its 'Standard for Standards'.  In my experience it does little to influence the technical content.

The quality of the standard is crucially influenced by the make-up of the committee & who volunteers to do the drafting.  If the committee is dominated by (say) one or more trade associations then they could either have a vested interest in driving the standard requirements low (making them easy to comply with) or, more likely, driving them high, so that the cost of kit & installations goes up, & they help exclude suppliers outside their Association.  If it's a BS EN, then you have to add all the competing National interests as well!

Basically, the quality of the standards depend upon the constitution of the committees, & how seriously the members take their responsibilities.  If you get crap representation, or if the members don't all pull their weight & put the necessary work in, you'll get a crap standard, or perhaps a biased one.  We all get a chance to comment on them when they're in 'draft' form as well, but you do have to keep an eye on the BSI website.

Given the fact that most of the work is done by volunteers, I do wonder why they cost so much!!!?

« Last Edit: February 20, 2012, 10:52:20 AM by Fishy »

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Re: Automatic test systems for emergency escape lighting.
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2012, 08:14:29 PM »
Take a look at the constitution of the committee that wrote BS 9991. Then look at BS 9991.

With regard to the various EL standards, this is simply the result of European harmonisation. It is messy but unavoidable.
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