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Offline Cullenloon

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Large and complicated buildings
« on: April 30, 2013, 02:27:53 PM »
Ladies and Gents

Just a quick question. The term "Large and complex building" is a phrase used in several BS and guidance documents from ADB, 7974 to 9999 and all in between. Is there a specific definition for this term?
I have reviewed most standard documents but cannot locate what I would term a definition. Perhaps I am looking for somthing that is not defined but is a term based based on the occupancy, size and risk profile of a premises,which I think is the answer, but I thought I would seek the experience of the group.
So, from the wealth of professional experience on this forum I just wondered if any of you know of a specific definition.

Many thanks CL

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Re: Large and complicated buildings
« Reply #1 on: April 30, 2013, 09:24:56 PM »
If that's a quick question I wouldn't like to see a long one!

I don't know of a definition as such and certainly don't think you would find such a woolly concept defined as such in BS 4422 / BS EN  ISO 13943 but I haven't looked. The nearest you might find is for example a definition of a shopping complex in the 5588 series.

I think context is important and it might be different things in different guidance. For example in respect of ADB and 5588/9999 it might mean a building comprising a number of different purpose groups with shared facilities and exit routes, and perhaps blurred boundaries between the purpose groups, or buildings in which it is not possible to meet the recommended travel distances set out in table 2.

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Re: Large and complicated buildings
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2013, 01:00:58 AM »
Hi Cullenloon,

We have spoken before you may recall as I, though not a Cullenloon myself, am proud to be the product of a long line of Cullenloons.

Moving on....

The term 'large and complex' is only used in these documents in a general way and there are no precise recommendations that should be followed if a building falls under this description and that need not be followed if a building does not fall under this description.  Therefore, I wouldn't worry too much about the exact meaning as none is given. 

The only recommendation that falls roughly in line with the category boundary that separates 'large and complex' buildings from more run-of-the-mill buildings is the recommendation in 7974 for when a QDR team might be needed.  But the need for a QDR team is something that grows proportionately with the complexity of the design and the precise level of complexity at which a QDR team becomes necessary is a matter of perception and judgement, not a matter of trying to make the building fit into one category or another.

I think kurnal's right when he refers to context.  Look at what the documents are saying when they use this term.  I believe that what they are trying to say is that where a building has some characteristics that make it difficult to comply with standard fire safety guidance, whether because of its complexity or its sheer size, then fire engineering solutions may be more appropriate than normal code compliance.  Perhaps the term should have been 'very large or complex'.

Stu


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Re: Large and complicated buildings
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2013, 07:17:06 AM »
Stu

Up there last week in May. Thank you both for your comments they have been very helpfull and I can now move on to the next problem. :-*

Thank you
CL