Casino With Mag Locks & No Green Box

[CivvyFSO]

I also do not think that the presence, or lack of, green boxes will sway anyones decision to rob the place or not. The hard work is getting into the place, and then getting to the money. Once that is acheived does anyone here truly think that any robber would be averse to simply walking out the way they came in? Or not savvy enough to realise that the fire alarm will open the exits?

And assuming that a robbery occurs, I don't think that keeping potential robbers inside the Casino for longer would be the best option for public safety.

[nearlythere]

I also do not think that the presence, or lack of, green boxes will sway anyones decision to rob the place or not. The hard work is getting into the place, and then getting to the money. Once that is acheived does anyone here truly think that any robber would be averse to simply walking out the way they came in? Or not savvy enough to realise that the fire alarm will open the exits?

And assuming that a robbery occurs, I don't think that keeping potential robbers inside the Casino for longer would be the best option for public safety.

Maybe its more a case of preventing someone inside opening doors for others to get in?

[CivvyFSO]

Again, I can't see any robbery being foiled by someone not being able to walk in through a fire exit. Besides, CCTV coverage in casinos is generally extensive and would quite clearly show who opened the door.

People seem to be grasping at straws to justify it. To me it seems quite simple. Secure the money properly. Money doesn't have to escape if there is a fire. If someone manages to get through all the security to get to the money, what difference is a fire exit being locked or unlocked going to make to them? (As opposed to persons wanting to escape from fire, what difference does a locked exit make to them?)

Basically, I feel that there are other ways to deal with this type of security without hindering escape.

There are circumstances where I would not have overrides on fire exits, but to protect money is not one of them.

[Midland Retty]

Money doesn't openly change hands in Casinos. People play with plastic chips which are then exchanged for cash from a member of staff working inside a secure kiosk.

So its not a case of a robber just coming in and freely swiping cash and legging it as if they were swiping goods from a supermarket .

You might have a thief posing as patron, waiting to rob an innocent victim collecting their winnings from the kiosk. But I doubt anyone would be that stupid and hope to get away with it. They are more likely to follow the victim out of the premsies, away from witnesses and cameras before robbing them.

Secondly to rob the premises the assailants aren't going opportunistic, and neither will they just walk in and threaten the security staff with a "queensbury rules" punch up. They will be organised and carrying offensive weapons for very obvious reasons. This means they get what they want, by threat of violence if necessary.

So if that meant they wanted the safe to be unlocked safe by a member of staff  I can say with much certainity it will be done, likewise if they wanted a door unlocking that would be done too. So BGU serves as no hinderance to security at all. If there was no BGU to aid their passage the thieves could still have the door opened if they wanted to.

So I agree with Civvy.

[Galeon]

I can assure you that I have seen 5k in cash (per spin ) thrown on a roulette wheel before and this went on for over 2 hours , don't assume that everything is a plastic transaction , high rollers is the name of the game.
As I am old school I like things belt and braces , but if the punter (excuse the term) the client wants to go his own road and can demonstrate to the authorities and they accept it , you cant do aloft about it.
I don't make a point of staying in a hotel without a fire system , but when have been on  the lash and want to get me head down , it don't bother me the same.

[CivvyFSO]

but when have been on  the lash and want to get me head down , it don't bother me the same.

Eloquently put sir.

[Clevelandfire 3]

I can assure you that I have seen 5k in cash (per spin ) thrown on a roulette wheel before and this went on for over 2 hours , don't assume that everything is a plastic transaction , high rollers is the name of the game.
As I am old school I like things belt and braces , but if the punter (excuse the term) the client wants to go his own road and can demonstrate to the authorities and they accept it , you cant do aloft about it.
I don't make a point of staying in a hotel without a fire system , but when have been on  the lash and want to get me head down , it don't bother me the same.

Sorry I find it difficult to believe that that is the norm. I dont think the licensing authorities would like that and if you have money openly being banded about it is asking for trouble . So to me the emergency break glass devices or whatever Wiz decides they should be called this week are the least of the casino's worries

[Galeon]

Did we get to the bottom of these doors , are they are in Public areas or leading into back of house ?

[Wiz]

.... So to me the emergency break glass devices or whatever Wiz decides they should be called this week ......

Clevelandfire, I'm glad you believe I have the power and authority to make these desicions. It is about time the whole World followed my advice.

I have no problem with those lacking the knowledge using the term Green Box (although it sounds like something used for recycling!) but those who hope to be considered as professional should surely use the correct terminology.

I thought I would make the point, as irrelevant as it may have been to the original question, and will continue to do such for the wider good of the whole World!

[nearlythere]

.... So to me the emergency break glass devices or whatever Wiz decides they should be called this week ......

Clevelandfire, I'm glad you believe I have the power and authority to make these desicions. It is about time the whole World followed my advice.

I have no problem with those lacking the knowledge using the term Green Box (although it sounds like something used for recycling!) but those who hope to be considered as professional should surely use the correct terminology.

I thought I would make the point, as irrelevant as it may have been to the original question, and will continue to do such for the wider good of the whole World!

So what have you called it this week Wiz? 

[Wiz]

.... So to me the emergency break glass devices or whatever Wiz decides they should be called this week ......

Clevelandfire, I'm glad you believe I have the power and authority to make these desicions. It is about time the whole World followed my advice.

I have no problem with those lacking the knowledge using the term Green Box (although it sounds like something used for recycling!) but those who hope to be considered as professional should surely use the correct terminology.

I thought I would make the point, as irrelevant as it may have been to the original question, and will continue to do such for the wider good of the whole World!

So what have you called it this week Wiz? 

I have always called it an Emergency Door Release despite what Mr Cleveland dreams in his unfathomable grey matter.

However, now that my new authority has been recognised by Nearlythere, I decree that, this week, it shall be called an Escapewidget.

Will all relevant parties please now amend their documentation to recognise this change.

Wow! I feel as powerful as Mr. C.T.!

[nearlythere]

You can't call it an escape widget. A widget is something to do with beer and head, - I mean the froth type.

[Fishy]

Another reason why these are necessary is that people might need to escape in a hurry without the fire alarm going off, and they reduce the risk of crushing incidents in those circumstances.  It's not always a fire that results in the need for swift evacuation.

[longjohn]

Civvy I know where you are coming from, I agree but I dont see it as simple as that. The delayed exit strategy is not necessarily just to protect money.

Robberies in places like casinos are not spur of the moment events- the robbers will have cased out the job before they do it. If they see a green break glass box then it will make that casino even more vulnerable to a potential attack.

Robberies are probably an even greater risk to peoples safety than a fire in this situation.

Kurnal, just reading some back records on emergency break glass units. I wondered if I could change the discussion slightly in relation to a Care Home which the RP doesn't prefer to have ebu's (green boxes!) on two certain doors that open directly into the street/community. The residents are dementia suffers but as we know can easily sus out how the over ride mechanisms work! The potential for harm by a resident wandering off outside would be greater than the potential for fire in the sense that within the building are up to date fire precautions, trained staff etc. Personally I used to prefer a simple loose fitting draw bolt at a high level but some staff may not reach this and some residents would! next option would be a keycode lock with a common number that all staff know, but Mr jackboot smiling assasin from the local authority has requested the ebu's in a notice of deficiencies, happy to challenge this but also wondered if a bgu on a delay would work in this situation.