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Offline longjohn

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Theatre Safety Curtains
« on: September 09, 2014, 10:50:05 AM »
Does anyone know what the numbers are for a safety curtain to be required? Is a safety curtain still required? I have found some research by consultants in the US but nothing yet in the UK. The RRO Theatre guide makes little reference to them and where it does it states in brackets ('if you have one'). The premises I am enquiring on behalf of are a small 320 seat theatre run as a charity mainly by volunteers (there are only two people actually 'employed') They tend to hire out the premises to amateur dramatic organisations and the like, the building is a very old Victorian building. Some Schools and Colleges etc. have permanent stages but they don't have safety curtains do they?.

This theatre does have one but it is asbestos, although it has been treated and sealed etc. they are concerned that there is always the chance that running the curtain could involve a potential asbestos exposure. The guide suggests running before every performance (which they do not do for the aforementioned reasons). This is also why I ask does it need one? the US research among other things makes reference to the fact that the average hazard from fire has changed a lot since the fire curtain concept was introduced into the codes at the turn of the twentieth century, in those days there was a heck of a lot of combustible stuff on stages, candles and lanterns, untreated drapes, scenery painted with oil based paint and so on. Today with requirements for furnishings and drapes etc. to be fire retardant, water based paints and fire safety management, detection and the like it does beg the question. Also another commonly held belief is the often raised concern for panic and the notion that the fire curtain will somehow prevent panic because the hazard is hidden. Some research has shown that the normal physiological panic reaction is actually a healthy thing and has saved many lives, in other words maybe if Jo Public can see whats happening he/she may move their 'feet' (keep it clean!) a bit quicker?

Any thoughts anyone?     

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Re: Theatre Safety Curtains
« Reply #1 on: September 09, 2014, 10:12:06 PM »
A little bit of digging including in some industry forums suggests the following:

- curtains seem to have been required as part of licensing under the various Theatre Acts up to the last in 1968 (although not in the body of the actual law)
- the yellow "Guide to Fire Precautions in Existing Places of Entertainment" which remained the official guide up until the RRO came in retained a requirement for safety curtains for stages other than in Small (<300 seats)Premises
- the 1934 Home Office Manual of Safety Requirements in Theatres and other Places of Public Entertainment appears to have been the source of these requirements and used as a reference when compiling guidance right up until the RRO guides.
- curtains are not required in new premises unless the FRA or fire strategy proposes them, but if you already have them you have an article 17 duty to maintain them
- some theatres have apparently dispensed with their curtains by risk assessment in consultation with the FRS, but others haven't been able to with one prohibited from opening whilst theirs was temporarily out of action
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Re: Theatre Safety Curtains
« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2014, 07:01:02 PM »
Thanks for this AnthonyB and Phoenix, I doubt very much there is total fire separation between stage and auditorium and it certainly hasn't got a haystack lantern light. Interesting re the numbers as this has seating for 320! I would have to get the manager to consult with the FRS regarding 'some theatres have apparently dispensed with their curtains by risk assessment in consultation with the FRS' As the Brigade area in question has a policy of not communicating with consultants/assessors on specific issues :( (see some of my previous moans on this matter!) Comments much appreciated many thanks.

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Re: Theatre Safety Curtains
« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2014, 09:06:01 PM »
A Safety Curtain would have most likely to have been a requirement under the conditions of licence issued under the Theatres Act.   Although all fire safety provisions are now controlled by the Regulatory Reform Fire safety order it is understood the previously issued licensing conditions that where applied are still applicable.

The conditions of licence would also have stated that the safety curtain should be lowered at least once before or during every performance.
It would be worth checking if a copy of the Licensing Conditions is still available at the theatre.
 
The safety curtain was normally accompanied by a proscenium arch sprinkler or sparge pipe, to cool the safety curtain in the event of a fire and also an automatically opening stage vent know as a haystack lantern light would have been provided.
Again these were usually part of the conditions of licence and maintenance and testing were usually detailed.

Guidance on theatres can be found in the following documents.

Technical Standards for Places of Entertainment 2013
Produced by The association of British Theatre Technicians and others

5 free access of this guide can be viewed on line at the following link.

http://www.technical-standards-for-places-of-entertainment.co.uk/

This guide states that a stage without a safety curtain is known as an Open Stage and the requirement would be that the stage is separated from the rest of the premises (e.g. dressing rooms, scenery stores etc by fire resisting construction.

A further guide entitled

Theatre Buildings: a design guide dated 2010 produced by the Association of British Theatre Technicians;

States that a safety curtain is not mandatory in the UK however this guide is mainly aimed at new theatres. It does state that a fire engineered solution as apposed to code based design may give a design advantages which may include the removal of the traditional safety curtain.

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Re: Theatre Safety Curtains
« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2014, 10:04:53 AM »
JayJaymakes a good point in regard to examining the current licence and any specific conditions attached to it.

One of the intentions of the Licensing Act 2003 was to simplify things by not making requirements (by way of conditions) that were already covered by other (primary) legislation. My recollection from local consultation on behalf of the FA at the time of it's introduction, was that national guidance from the LGA suggested specific conditions should be kept to a minimum and that a pool of model conditions was produced.

Condition 39 of the copy i have (dated 14.01.05) relates to Safety Curtains and states:

"Where a safety curtain is provided it should be arranged so as to protect the audience from the effects of a fire or smoke on stage for some sufficient time to enable the safe evacuation of the auditorium.

Where a stage with a procenium arch is not equiped with a safety curtain, any curtains provided between the stage and the auditorium should be heavyweight and be made of a non combustible material inherently or durably treated flame retardant fabric."

If there is no specific mention of the safety curtain then the Public Safety objective of the 2003 licensing act will be covered by FRA. However, even if it is specified, I would suggest that a suitable FRA which incorporated paragraph two of condition 39 (above) would meet the requirements of both the Licensing and Fire Authorities and allow the potentially hazardous existing  safety curtain to be removed.


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Re: Theatre Safety Curtains
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2014, 01:47:22 PM »
 :) Thanks again all, very useful

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Re: Theatre Safety Curtains
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2014, 10:08:10 PM »
Just as a final note to this topic

See the attached link which shows a great example of a Safety Curtain doing its intended purposes.

http://www.arthurlloyd.co.uk/DruryLane/DruryLaneFire1908.htm


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Re: Theatre Safety Curtains
« Reply #7 on: September 22, 2014, 02:29:42 PM »
Very interesting! gives a different meaning to 'behind the iron curtain!

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Re: Theatre Safety Curtains
« Reply #8 on: September 23, 2014, 12:47:48 PM »
Amongst theatre folk the safety curtain is known as "the iron".