Author Topic: Civilianise enforcement- you know it makes sense  (Read 27620 times)

Offline Bruce89

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Re: Civilianise enforcement- you know it makes sense
« Reply #45 on: February 11, 2016, 10:51:02 PM »
In the past training providers e.g. Moreton, FPA etc. delivered courses in order for the recipients to gain qualifications to undertake their fire safety roles. Unfortunately prior to March 2013 these were not cross mapped or underpinned by National Occupational Standards or Skills for Justice.
CFOA took the decision to state that all fire safety auditors (Inspecting Officers), should, as a bench mark, have achieved these levels that would give the Inspecting Officer a Level 3 Fire Safety Certificate or a Level 4 Fire Safety Diploma. This in theory would ensure a consistency of level of knowledge and expertise throughout the country.
I am aware of at least one fire service that is putting all of its Inspecting Officers, all who have previously completed various training e.g. Moreton modules etc. through a programme of accredited prior learning in order that they will all meet the current standard requested by CFOA. On paper a team of up to date qualified Fire Safety Officers, in practise a box ticking exercise for the existing officers, however for new entrants into fire safety it appears a pretty comprehensive syllabus with a recognised qualification at the end. Time will tell but as with any qualification only any good if the practical application and experience under pins it, the analogy I always use is although you are technically qualified to drive when you past your driving test, you only become a real driver when you get some experience under your belt.

Offline Tom Sutton

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Re: Civilianise enforcement- you know it makes sense
« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2016, 02:39:23 PM »
I would think the civilizing of fire safety is not who runs the department but having a department that has no connections to the operational side. The firefighters would continue to carry out fire prevention duties, house visits and such and there would be no connection to fire safety except for advice and help when required. Fire safety would be total independant with its own rank structure and training system, hopefully leading to qualifications. They would recruit from the general public and firefighters who wish to change profession permanently, no jumping in or out.  
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

Offline Mike Buckley

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Re: Civilianise enforcement- you know it makes sense
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2016, 02:56:14 PM »
Yes Tom and as the control of the Fire Service has been moved back to the Home Office, the Fire Safety department could be moved under the wing of the PCC where they have a greater experience of prosecution and the other side of his business would just love the powers of entry enjoyed by the Fire Safety Inspectors. 'Just here for a fire safety inspection sir. Oh that's a funny plant you have growing there, would you mind accompaning me back to the station.'
The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to those who think they've found it.

Offline Tom Sutton

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Re: Civilianise enforcement- you know it makes sense
« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2016, 07:34:22 PM »
The PCC is a political position to monitor the police and if the fire and rescue service went under his control, the police would still be subject to the Police Act, the fire rescue service the Fire and Rescue Service Act, there would be no difference. When I joined the job we were under the Home Office the biggest difference would be the Fire and Rescue Authorities getting the boot and somebody else selecting the chief fire officers.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.