Application of the RRFSO to internal flats

[Dinnertime Dave]

Dave exactly the point I was making but the gas pipe work would be enforced under the housing act as the RA is under the FSO

That's my point, the bathroom extractor ducts that run in the service risers would be a appurtenance of such a flat and used in common by the occupants of more than one such dwelling, therefore would be subject to the RR(FS)O.

Yes, I'm still with you Tom. It's communal and therefore subject to FSO. I might have google appurtenance though.

[Animal]

Ok lets run with the ductwork for the moment; the fix maybe to fit dampers/intumescent grill on the inlets/outlets in the bathroom or kitchen within the flat/s.............FSO or housing act?

[Tom Sutton]

I would fit the the dampers where the vent enters the duct and I would like to check it, even if its in the flat, like the front door. IMO the duct falls within the FSO.

[Animal]

Tom, so you are saying it is in a private single dwelling you would fit the dampers and that comes under the FSO?

[Tom Sutton]

The dampers are being fitted in the common parts, the vent shaft, but the access may be in the flat.

[William 29]

But the fire officer would have no right of entry into the flat to:

a) know if there was a common vent and if dampers where fitted, without invasive works?
b) have the right of entry to inspect said works after completed to check if the RP has complied with the Notice served under the RRFSO


And hence my question, I don't think these areas can be included on a Notice issued under the RRFSO?

[Animal]

Tom, lets play this one out then; you want to access my lease hold flat to access the ducts to fit dampers correct? well as the lease holder of the flat I do not permit you access, ok so far? who is going to enforce the access if it is deemed necessary?

[nearlythere]

Tom, lets play this one out then; you want to access my lease hold flat to access the ducts to fit dampers correct? well as the lease holder of the flat I do not permit you access, ok so far? who is going to enforce the access if it is deemed necessary?

But that would have been ensured by BC anyway.

[Animal]

Nearly, thank you for the reply. BC have no jurisdiction/powers of entry into my existing private single dwelling, in this case to play it out; a man be it a builder wanting to fit dampers, Tom wanting to have a look at where he would like them fitted knocks on my door and I tell him to go away you are not coming in! (of course very politely) Who now enforces entry to fit the said dampers and under what legislation?

[Mr. P]

An, think you will find a para or 2 in your 'legal' lease/rent etc. agreement which allows landlord authorised persons, with reasonable notice period, to access your property for maintenance, repair and new works etc. If you deny access and someone dies which could have been avoided if only you had allowed access, you may find yourself answering to the Coroner (albeit in a round about way)...javascript:void(0);

[nearlythere]

Nearly, thank you for the reply. BC have no jurisdiction/powers of entry into my existing private single dwelling, in this case to play it out; a man be it a builder wanting to fit dampers, Tom wanting to have a look at where he would like them fitted knocks on my door and I tell him to go away you are not coming in! (of course very politely) Who now enforces entry to fit the said dampers and under what legislation?

Point I'm making Animal is where was it when it was being built.

I'm involved in the fire safety upgrading of a block of flats around 10 years old. Upgrading? After 10 years?

The fire stopping that was passed as compliant with BR is extremely poor or non existent. Exposed structural steel support is untreated. It goes on.

[Tom Sutton]

Animal check out, although a last resort, http://www.publiclawtoday.co.uk/housing/housing-law/435-housing-law-features-news/21788-borough-obtains-injunction-to-assess-property-for-potential-fire-hazards  and as far as I remember it was done under the RR(FS)O.

It's unlikely we are going to agree and maybe starting to boring people, so let agree to disagree.