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Offline ian gough

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2006, 08:28:49 PM »
Whilst not ever having any personal experience of this (always had a canal handy in the West Mids) my opinion concurs with Wee B's; however, Mike makes an interesting point too.

The reason I asked for comment here is because I've had an enquiry of similar circumstances to Kurnal's - except in my case, a fire spread from the 'new risk' damaging valuable property and the fire authority blames "lack of water" for failing to stop the spread. Early indications reveal a possible lack of ever asking for sufficient water supplies at Planning - but it's early days yet and this cannot be confirmed.

Now throw 'Integrated Risk Management' into the pot with reduced attendances and even non attendance for AFAs and a very interesting situation begins to emerge.

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2006, 09:40:04 PM »
Ian
I submitted my first post with a rather negative view based on recent experience.

But its not all bad and heres another experience I have had, albeit about 3 years ago,  

With the advent of community fire risk management and all the liason with local interest groups that has grown from this, perhaps the fire brigades are closer to their communities than before and more aware of the problems of unemployment and deprivation, and how the possible redevelopment of brownfield sites can regenerate the community, bringing with it an improvement in the standard of living and a consequent reduction in fire deaths and injuries.

And that local fire service is more likely to jump through hoops to bring that development to their community, mindful that there are plenty of other sites competing for consideration by the developer. So when the water company shake their heads and say no theres no chance  of new mains for 10 years or more for technical or logistical reasons, rather than lose the development they may explore other solutions. Time being of the essence compromise becomes necessary.  But even this compromise depends on somebody else  - not the fire brigade- footing the bill!

But you are exactly right and I know of a number of former coal field sites turned into industrial estates with no water supplies at all- on occasion with disastrous consequences. I remember one scheme where at planning stage the water for firefighting was provided using the old pit lagoons. Then because of H&S concerns the lagoons were drained but nobody told the brigade. Then a large plastics recycling firm on site had a fire which led to total burn out.  

Chris
I obviously watch the wrong news channel. Ive never understood why the water doesn't flow down to the South from the north by itself?

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« Reply #17 on: August 23, 2006, 08:56:13 AM »
I have read the news links Chris kindly provided. Heres an extract:

"The seven reservoirs would only be built if permission was granted from the government and the Environment Agency.
But Baroness Young, Environment Agency chief executive, said: "The point we are making in being pretty resistant to reservoirs is that most companies that put forward proposals for reservoirs are not thinking about how they can reduce customers' demand and manage their leakage effectively as a first step.""

Is this not fiddling while Rome burns?
Can you imagine the Agency opposing new power stations until the generating companies consider how they can persuade consumers to switch the telly off properly or turn off lights? Or refusing the Oil Companies permission to build a new refinery until they can show what they are doing to persuade consumers to cut out unnecessary journeys and use smaller cars?

Who is going to suffer as a result of all this prevarication- only the public I suppose. And the water companies are a real piggy in the middle between Two Jags pushing new developments and the Baroness trying to hold it back.

 Two government departments each pushing the official government polices both of which oppose each other  with the privatised water companies the whipping boy in the middle. I guess thats why I have to wait at least 10 years for my new fire hydrants in my patch.

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« Reply #18 on: August 23, 2006, 10:58:17 AM »
Just to add spice to the mix. The FRA has a duty under the FRS Act to take all reasonable measures to secure an adequate supply of water. If it fails in that duty, (as in Ian's case?) and damage results then the FRA could be seen to be negligent and therefore liable.

The arguement being that had adequate water supplies been available then the fire could have been prevented from spreading to adjoining properties and / or the damage would not have been so bad.

Just waiting for a test case?
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« Reply #19 on: August 23, 2006, 12:04:20 PM »
Your comments give much food for thought. Thanks.