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Offline Martin Burford

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« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2007, 09:23:10 PM »
Why are we talking about prisons, when the original question related to manual call points in schools, or in this case one particular school
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« Reply #16 on: June 16, 2007, 07:03:10 AM »
Many of these are secure schools (I think thats the correct terminology) and they are certainly not prisons.  But in terms of the secure nature, the need to prevent absconding, the risks that may arise if the supervision is not maintained makes the prisons guidance about the only appropriate, available national benchmark guidance from which to start.
 Of course when dealing with the client you will not refer to the prisons guidance directly in these cases other than in the small print of the bibliography at the back of the report. Or perhaps we are overlooking something more relevant?
We had a similar problem in the early 1980s - do you remember when when Norman Tebbit devised his "Short Sharp Shock" boot camp strategy for young offenders  and "Childrens centres" were set up all over the place with no expense spared.

Offline Mike Buckley

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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2007, 09:49:34 AM »
Having pointed the discussion towards prisons in the first place, I was looking at the problem which I saw as trying to provide a means of raising the alarm which would also be resistant to malicious activation by the occupants. Although this solution has been provided for prisons I can see it could be an answer for other facilities especially as I remember spending many hours walking around a local mental hospital when the patients decided to enliven their day by having guys in yellow helmets and trousers visiting them!
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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2007, 02:57:27 PM »
The original question referred to 'secure units' which could in fact be a 'school' but could also be a specialised holding facilty within a prison. Again the original question refrerred to convicted arsonists, so why is there an assumption we are discussing juveniles or school pupils? The question is about providing MCP's in a secure unit for convicted arsonists and I think the answer about automatic detection is very close to what is needed especially as these systems can indeed be defended. The reply about getting the primary use sorted out first with fire safety appropriate to those needs has it about right.

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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2007, 06:52:18 PM »
You can do anything you like as long as interested parties agree to it and a variation to the norm is submitted.

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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2007, 11:44:45 AM »
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You can do anything you like as long as interested parties agree to it and a variation to the norm is submitted.
The variation is for use in respect of a BS5839 recommendation. The term 'norm' relates to 'normal practice'. A 'normal practice' might not have complied to the recommendations anyway. Sorry to be pedantic - it's the 'legal eagle' in me that won't let go!