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messy

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« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2007, 05:20:40 AM »
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Saddler could be right here.  There could be a misunderstanding of the guides.  The suggestion is for LD2 in common stairs - but only if you forget to look at the accompanying note which says that this is for premises that do not conform to current building regulations.

If people are speed reading the guides and applying over-onerous standards, then that might have affected building designers approach to their more current work.

It would be interesting to look at why the architect has taken this approach on this occassion.
I apologise if covered before, but with regards tothis advice, what is the definition of "current building regulations"?

If you take this literally, it means the 2007 ADB!!

This is pehaps another case of poor or incomplete guidance from the RRO guides (which are suppsed to be read by non professionals). It was obviously drafted on a Friday aftenoon when the authors were in a rush to get away!

I know that both AFD installers and Fire Authorities are struggling with this and I am aware that RP's are right now installing thousands of pounds of (in my opienion) unecessary kit.

So how should the term "current building regulations" be interpreted by the industry, enforcers and (more importantly) the RP??

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« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2007, 08:36:07 AM »
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I apologise if covered before, but with regards to this advice, what is the definition of "current building regulations"?

If you take this literally, it means the 2007 ADB!!
I do not see a problem, surely that is the answer the only other choice would be to stipulate the standard consequently the guidance would have to be amended ever time the standards were upgraded.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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« Reply #17 on: July 13, 2007, 04:43:15 PM »
I read it as meaning if the the conversion is a bit dodgy and the compartmentation missing or unreliable.

We are allowed to use our brains you know.

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« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2007, 02:35:32 PM »
To summarise, it would appear that the general view is that AFD is not required in the communal areas of flats and we are still not entirely sure why they are being fitted and many contributors would rather not have them fitted. The possible reasons given for installing AFD are: the RRO, Insurers, Architects not knowing any different and the need to operate vents. I have spoken to the technical people at NHBC and they say do not fit AFD. I have also spoken to the technical people at ECA and they say you should fit AFD!
My personal view is that (under normal circumstances) AFD should not be installed, if there is a need to operate AOV's there are a number of more cost-effective methods of achieving it, perhaps a little more sophisticated than the one mentioned by David Rooney though!

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« Reply #19 on: July 17, 2007, 10:37:28 PM »
Give that man a cigar!

(a self extinguishing one of course)