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« Reply #15 on: August 18, 2004, 04:37:44 PM »
Gentlemen, lets not get bogged down in the vaguries of our legal system whilst losing sight of the original question.  On more than one occasion during this topic Rosepark has been mentioned, open doors kill, read on:

A recent fire occurred in an old persons home and caused six fatalities. The fire originated in a television lounge and the most likely cause was the igniting of one of the many upholstered chairs by a discarded cigarette end. While the occupants had retired for the night, the fire burnt slowly, and generated much smoke and hot toxic gases. These travelled throughout the building. Where occupants had kept their bedroom doors closed and waited by open windows, they survived. Those who tried to negotiate smoke logged corridors and staircases died.

Where?, Liverpool 1957, what have we learned, not a lot despite loads of legislation, regulation and ACOPs, lets get the basics right first.

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« Reply #16 on: August 20, 2004, 01:38:37 PM »
At last, a bit of down to earth common sense on the subject!!!!! I think that should be called Murphy's Law.
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« Reply #17 on: August 20, 2004, 03:23:38 PM »
Colin, could you define common sense as you see it? Is it only those posts that you agree with?
The input of this thread has been largely common sense offered by people who have a valid opinion, that being the point of this type of bulletin board.
Colin Murphy's excellent example merely emphasises much of the earlier contributions.

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« Reply #18 on: October 11, 2004, 03:56:51 PM »
Hi Guys sorry to come in late on this one but for info the DOE back in 1995/96 gave a ruling on self closers in these types of premises and under certain circumstances allowed Fire Authorities to waive the fitting of self closers to bedroom doors.

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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2004, 12:31:55 AM »
perhaps if you referred to a NI standard: HTM 84 you might find some assistance. This provides for a reasonable accomodation between the safety of the semi/non ambulant residents and their quality of life. The approach used is to balance the dilema between risk reduction (elimination being impossible!) and staff intervention. Experience has shown that whilst this may not be an ideal solution, it at least provides for a "real world" solution.  :?:  :!:  :?:

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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2004, 12:09:39 AM »
I hate to be partisan, but later thinking on the subject is contained in the Scottish version of HTM 84, known as SHTM 84 and it says you DO need s/c devices but that they should be swing free. The NI HTM 84 is in any case in the course of revision
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« Reply #21 on: July 12, 2005, 04:15:37 PM »
Giovanni,

You seem to have an insight into the Rosepark Care Home investigation, can you cast some light on the current situation?