Open and closed protocoles ???

[Allen Higginson]

I have to disagree on that one - a competant engineer should be able to service and maintain most systems is spares are readily available.
As long as you are changing like for like in the event of a fault then it shouldn't be an issue.
PS - The support on your falling over Minerva's (I assume you mean 16's and 80's) is being withdrawn in 2010 so you need to be making your customers aware of this.
As it is, the price for Minerva equipment is getting scandalous (due to supply and demand), even to ADT (who buy it from TPEG.
You work  arond the corner from ADT mate??

I maybe should have explained my self better, I have no problems maintaining Gent systems, its just when I attend faults etc I am never truely 100% sure that what I'm doing will rectify the problem. Maybe it's just that I lack the confidence I would have if it were a Morley or an Ampac. It is the unfamiliarity with the prototol that I find annoying, I like to really know the ins and outs of the programming side of things. But with Gent I doubt thats ever going to happen.
Thanks for the info about Minerva.
And to answer your last question, I work for Chubb.

Fair comment mate - seen too many guys allocate and run just to clear a fault on a gent without realizing the chaos that they cause.
Any jobs going???lol

[Benzerari]

Benzerari, I take your point about minerva and gent. I work for a large company in Northern Ireland, and we have a couple of ex-Thorn engineers working for us, and they specialised in minerva. I maintain a few minerva systems and have found that they are all starting to fail in different ways. We would use Adt to purchase parts off and have never had any problems.

But Gent have always been a different story. I also maintain a number of Gent panels, and without knowing an engineer from Gent I would have been very lost on a couple of occasions.

Sorry to hijack your thread, but i've always diagreed with taking on any maintaince contract on a Gent system purely to do with the fact that as an engineer, I feel that I can't maintain it properly. Do you think a service contract should be taken out for a closed protocol system that the service company really can't maintain??

I have to disagree on that one - a competant engineer should be able to service and maintain most systems is spares are readily available.
As long as you are changing like for like in the event of a fault then it shouldn't be an issue.
PS - The support on your falling over Minerva's (I assume you mean 16's and 80's) is being withdrawn in 2010 so you need to be making your customers aware of this.
As it is, the price for Minerva equipment is getting scandalous (due to supply and demand), even to ADT (who buy it from TPEG.
You work  arond the corner from ADT mate??

I think a competent engineer may be judged on the open protocols systems and not the closed ones; it is not his problem if he can not deal with closed protocols systems while he hasn't got the proper training to do so...

Closed protocols systems has some specificities that you may not know only through its proper sources...

[JonnyG]

Buzzard you wouldn't want to work for us at the moment, We have recently been purchased by UTC Fire and Security and are undergoing a lot of operational changes. We are also waiting for our recent "purchase" Initial coming round and merging.
Who are you working for mate??

[wicklowman]

As a vey recent Chubb employee I can vouch for the UTC 'way of life'. I moved on if thats any hint of life under the UTC empire!

[JonnyG]

I'm about ready to jump ship myself, trying to find a job here in Northern Ireland, anyone know of any going??