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Offline Tom Sutton

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« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2008, 08:03:53 PM »
Phil like most I agree with you but I am not sure if all responsible persons would. I think many RP's are only interested in a token effort and some no effort at all. Taking into account the chances of being found out  being very low it doesn’t bode well for the future.

What is "a more complex premises", it’s mentioned in the guides but not defined I believe the woolly guidance doesn’t help.
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Offline PhilB

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« Reply #46 on: May 17, 2008, 09:32:24 AM »
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Phil like most I agree with you but I am not sure if all responsible persons would. I think many RP's are only interested in a token effort and some no effort at all. Taking into account the chances of being found out  being very low it doesn’t bode well for the future.

What is "a more complex premises", it’s mentioned in the guides but not defined I believe the woolly guidance doesn’t help.
I absolutely agree TW. CLG have issued poor conflicting guidance, many FRS have poorly trained inspectors, but to be fair what guidance is available to train with??

I would not say most, but a scarey number of businesses only pay lip service to the new law and some as you say just ignore their responsibilities aware that they are unlikely to get caught.

Perhaps you can understand their reluctance when there has suddenly emerged a whole host of incompetent fire consultants who will take their money and produce useless risk assessments.

Time will tell if this approach to ensuring appropriate levels of safety works.

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« Reply #47 on: May 17, 2008, 09:54:17 AM »
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TW I have sent you an e mail.
jokar I haven’t received your email.

Thanks to everybody who contributed it’s helped me a lot to understand the complications with this aspect of fire safety, with special thanks to PhilB and jokar.
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« Reply #48 on: May 17, 2008, 10:01:35 AM »
TW Sutton,

The term 'more complex' was arrived at after a lot of soul searching. It was not possible to say 'anything over four storeys', or 'premises of more than 1000m squared'. It certainly wasn't a throw away comment.

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« Reply #49 on: May 17, 2008, 10:34:28 AM »
Val I am not suggesting it was a throw away comment but how does the RP interpret it. Maybe the RR(FS)O should have said any premises with more than five employee’s the FRA should be completed by a competent person?
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« Reply #50 on: May 17, 2008, 10:40:19 AM »
Tw
That would have made a lot of fire consultants happy, (and rich).

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« Reply #51 on: May 17, 2008, 10:44:57 AM »
TW I have sent it agin, hopefully 3rd time lucky.

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« Reply #52 on: May 18, 2008, 09:33:31 AM »
Val it does not have to be a consultant alternatively they could send an employee on a course or attend a course themselves. It would also help RP's to understand when they should hand over to a more experience person. I just try to look at it from the RP's point a view.

Thanks jokar I downloaded your attachments and the template, like some others, was a good one and very close to what I need.
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