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Offline jasper

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« Reply #15 on: June 02, 2008, 09:37:03 PM »
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I never hand over a Fire Risk Assessment without payment!  This is made perfectly clear from the start.  This system has never failed me.
I take it you have never worked for a multi-national then?

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« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2008, 09:37:50 AM »
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I am fortunate, I have only ever had one problem payer but he paid up the £1500 after I blocked off the entrance of his hotel drive with my car! He paid cash..
Thats genius, why not offer your services out to Lingmore?!!

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« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2008, 09:50:29 AM »
Prof K, unfortunately you can't think the best of all people. Most are o.k. and do you know what? They are the ones that understand why you have to be careful giving credit to them.
The ones that complain the loudest are actually the biggest risk!

Beltandbraces is basically spot-on in his point about never handing over anything without receiving payment first. However there can be a couple of problems with this.

Firstly, some customers might rightly consider it a risk paying before receiving the 'goods'. In these circumstances a good idea is to ask for 50% 'up front' In this way both sides take 50% of the risk of the other not meeting their obligations. Surely, no-one can argue that this is a fair compromise for both sides.

Secondly, as jasper pointed out large multi-nationals won't play this game because they consider that they are not a financial risk and get angry if you suggest such by asking for 50% up-front. In real terms they are not a risk of being able to pay. Quite simply, the chance of a plc going bust is very very small and it is worth taking the risk with them, but not with anyone else until they have a proven payment record.

In all circumstances it is important to make it crystal clear in advance what your customer will get for their money and when, along with confirmation of when payment for what they receive is due by. The customer must agree to all of this in writing before starting work. If they won't, then 'drop' them and find others who will.

It is all commonsense.

Always remember that in business you only work to make money to allow you to live the life you would like. If you don't protect yourself you'll be working for far less or even for nothing.

If you are good at what you do, you'll always find enough work.

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« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2008, 09:57:51 AM »
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Quote from: Ashley Wood
I am fortunate, I have only ever had one problem payer but he paid up the £1500 after I blocked off the entrance of his hotel drive with my car! He paid cash..
Thats genius, why not offer your services out to Lingmore?!!
Ashley Wood is playing a dangerous game. As Kurnal pointed out some people can be nasty. For example an installer I know had his jaw broken by a customer last week for 'pushing too hard' for payment. Of course, the Police are now involved but the installer is currently in hospital and unable to work and letting down other customers he promised to work for this week etc. etc.

Most customers, when finding you are blocking their drive, would quite simply get the Police to remove you. And there is no way the Police would be interested in your reasons for blocking the drive

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« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2008, 09:09:46 PM »
How do you work out your fees guys for carrying out a risk assessment, do you charge per day plus the writting of the report, or do you have a fee per sq meterage. your input would be appreciated Im leaving the FRS and thinking of starting on my own.

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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2008, 09:46:13 PM »
I can't speak for anyone else but with me its the size and complexity of the building and the distance I have to travel.  Basically the time I estimate it will take me from start to finish.

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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2008, 10:28:54 PM »
As per lingmoor- The only way not to get your fingers burnt is to determine your hourly rate and calculate how long it will take you to walk the floor, write the report, check and present it. My experience is that it takes 2 hours to produce the report for every hour you walk the floor.

Estimating only comes with experience, theres no easy formula that I have come across anyway.

Your hourly rate will depend on many factors- your overheads, market forces, the arena you are working in, the level of service and your diligence and expertise, and the tier of management to which you pitch your sale- ie whether you are in at Director level or departmental manager level. That rather depends on your CV and experience

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« Reply #22 on: June 04, 2008, 07:51:14 AM »
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How do you work out your fees guys for carrying out a risk assessment, do you charge per day plus the writting of the report, or do you have a fee per sq meterage. your input would be appreciated Im leaving the FRS and thinking of starting on my own.
I, like Kate Moss, will not get out of bed for anything less than my base fee. When I started I had an ever increasing base line which stopped when the clients looked a little anxious. Now and again I test the water and give it a little racket up to check the response.
 
There are rogues out there who would do a RA for buttons but their clients are happy. As far as they are concerned they have a good RA because they don't know how good ones, like mine, really are.  No one will know how bad their's are until the judge or F&R Service read it and this is very unlikely.

I work on the premise that expensive work is no work.
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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« Reply #23 on: June 04, 2008, 09:41:26 AM »
I agree with the above comments it all comes down to experience.

Factors include

No. of Floors
No. of Staff/residents
No.of members of the public admitted
Type of business activity
Approx Dimensions
No. of buildings
Single or multiple occupancy
Any outstanding notices from the fire service
Distance to travel

I have tried for years to work out a formulae but you can't some you win some you lose. You can assess a small property and find a nightmare of a job but you can do a big site which is simple

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« Reply #24 on: June 04, 2008, 11:44:34 AM »
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I agree with the above comments it all comes down to experience.

Factors include

No. of Floors
No. of Staff/residents
No.of members of the public admitted
Type of business activity
Approx Dimensions
No. of buildings
Single or multiple occupancy
Any outstanding notices from the fire service
Distance to travel

I have tried for years to work out a formulae but you can't some you win some you lose. You can assess a small property and find a nightmare of a job but you can do a big site which is simple
to add to this I also look at the general state of fire safety i.e. if it is bad then it will take longer to write up

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« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2008, 12:11:53 PM »
I don't usually get the chance to make site visits so i have to gauge it on paper

But yes looking at the general state of things is a good idea

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« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2008, 01:23:26 PM »
Piglet

Are you sure about what you have wriiten above????????

If so, I suggest you hang your kit up and get another job.

davo

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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2008, 01:33:08 PM »
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Piglet

Are you sure about what you have wriiten above????????

If so, I suggest you hang your kit up and get another job.

davo
LOL

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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2008, 02:03:41 PM »
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Piglet

Are you sure about what you have wriiten above????????

If so, I suggest you hang your kit up and get another job.

davo
Yup i have to quote for all jobs nationwide for a team of consultants

so i have to quote with the details im told not what i see

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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2008, 02:23:54 PM »
Sorry Piglet

Misread one of your lines, yes I know I need my eyes testing, Mrs Davo keeps telling me.
Guess I'll have to bite the bullet and make a spectacle of myself. (no rude comments please Prof)

davo