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« on: August 22, 2008, 06:38:34 PM »
I was told that emergency lighting luminaires that are sited above exit doors/routes are designed to emit a certain level of light and covering them with a sticky backed fire exit sticker reduces the light they give off.
Does anyone know if it is written anywhere that this must not be done as ALL fitters that I come across seem to do it . I believe that if needed , a sign should be placed above or below the luminaire rather than on it.

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2008, 07:42:32 PM »
There is some confusion here  between  the requirement for internally illuminated exit signs in which the illumination is maintained at all times and those lighting units that are provided to ensure that there is a minimum level of light along the escape route for safe movement,  and at specific points of emphasis- eg changes in direction, changes in level, exit doors, fire points or signs that are not internally illuminated so that they can be seen. Often this general escape lighting for safe movement  is not maintained on all the time but operates in the event of a failure of the primary lighting.

The need for illuminated exit signs will depend on the use of the building- eg if the premises are likely at any time to have subdued primary lighting- entertainments or for sleeping accommodation where the lights in escape routes will normally be off.

It is permissible to count include the light emitted from an illuminated exit sign as contributing to the minimum level of escape lighting and some illuminated exit signs are specifically designed to do this- having for example a lens in their base to illuminate an exit door below.

If you have included the light from the illuminated exit signs in your general  lighting provision then care needs to be taken when stickers on illuminated signs are updated and light level measurements should be taken to ensure that the minimum 1 Lux throughout the exit route (can be 0.2 lux in exit corridors guaranteed to be clear of obstructions), and average 0.5l ux across the general floor area are maintained.For some high risk premises higher levels are required, for some uses lower levels are permitted.

Look out for BS5266 part 1 2005  and BSEN 1838  1999 for Emergency lighting standards, and BS5499 - 3 1990 (I think still current) for internally illuminated safety signs.

So care is needed in the choice and selection and stickers should not be placed willy nilly on lighting units over exits- the unit may just have been provided to ensure sufficient light for safe movement.

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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2008, 10:41:19 PM »
Also the correct stickers should be used -  I have seen normal vinyl safety signs used in the past and they can sometimes block a lot of light out, although a lot of the 'proper' stickers aren't on transparent vinyl and are similar to normal signs - a lot depends on the output of the fitting used.

(I have seen rigid plastic signs stuck over an exit box rather than under it's down lighter in the past too!).
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« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2008, 06:34:17 PM »
Quote from: AnthonyB
(I have seen rigid plastic signs stuck over an exit box rather than under it's down lighter in the past too!).
Noooo!!! Please no!!
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« Reply #4 on: September 24, 2008, 07:12:17 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: September 24, 2008, 08:03:26 PM »
Nice to see that none are correct.

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« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2008, 08:22:56 PM »
Well spotted Jokar! ;)
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« Reply #7 on: October 20, 2008, 08:46:55 PM »
Jokar

In our premises, they appear only to come in one type, arrow down!
Not to mention we still have loads of old Caps only, no arrow around.
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« Reply #8 on: October 20, 2008, 08:51:46 PM »
You certainly have a head of hair. The rest is down to the eye of the beholder.

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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2010, 11:22:23 PM »
getting very fishy around here

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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2010, 12:10:27 PM »
The effectiveness and viewing distance of an escape route sign is influenced as a function of illumination. There is a table in BS5499 Part 4 that gives good practice guidance for externally illuminated signs which would also include non maintained units. I have always held the view that escape route signs should be completely seperate from emergency lighting. Lighting should be for illumination and as a function of illumination signs should show the direction of egress to safety....if you keep them seperate you will get effective illumination of the centre path.obstacles and escape route and by correct positioning of signs the signs will have effective illumination and effective safety wayguidance.

As it has already been pointed out immediately you place a vinyl overlay on the luminaire you require a further luminaire to satisfy the illumination requirements on the escape path...this is inefficient in every respect.

If you use Photoluminescent signs you will have belt and braces....save maintenance, save electricity and save landfill of electrical components. Just a thought!!

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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2010, 12:53:51 PM »

If you use Photoluminescent signs you will have belt and braces....save maintenance, save electricity and save landfill of electrical components. Just a thought!!

As long as you have sufficient light all the time to charge them. Nightclubs, Escape routes with switched or PIR lighting that are not normally lit (on the increase), etc

It's a pity that LED lighting has not filtered through more - longer fitting life, less bulb failure, brighter crisper light output, far less power consumption. A firm (Olympia?) had a range on display at Firex a couple of years back and they looked quite impressive - I hope that the take up of their stuff isn't slowed by the fact they are Greek, not with the tons of Chinese stuff about....
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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2010, 03:00:12 PM »
Totally agree, in places of entertainment the luminaire that illuminates the sign should be in the maintained condition. The sign being photoluminescent will be of added benefit should the luminaire be logged by smoke the sign will be still be effective.

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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #13 on: September 01, 2010, 05:09:17 PM »
The requirements for lighting and signage are covered by different BSs and are usually not mixed. The 8w fluorescent bulkhead fitting can be used as either a light or as a sign. One fitting should not be used to cover both uses. This fitting was originally used as a sign because it is IP54 rated, so can be used externally or in humid environments, where a traditional "shoe box" exit sign is not suitable.

LEDS are moving forward rapidly and the major advantage is longlife, particularly in maintained signs. Again, they should not be mixed in terms of application. We use a 3w LED with an optical lens to give extended spacings, far greater than can be achieved with conventional bulkhead fittings..
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Re: Emergency lighting exit signs
« Reply #14 on: September 02, 2010, 04:57:10 PM »

It's a pity that LED lighting has not filtered through more - longer fitting life, less bulb failure, brighter crisper light output, far less power consumption. A firm (Olympia?) had a range on display at Firex a couple of years back and they looked quite impressive - I hope that the take up of their stuff isn't slowed by the fact they are Greek, not with the tons of Chinese stuff about....

Hochiki are pushing their addressable LED Firelux product which looks very good.... we're booked on the training very soon.
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