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Offline Tom Sutton

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« Reply #45 on: September 21, 2008, 10:36:46 AM »
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The previous system worked. Why change it.
Because businesses together with some fire engineers complained the FPA was over burdensome and was not consistent. The argument claimed that risk assessment was the answer so the EU took up the case and issued a directive. You got risk assessment however the first efforts was not a success then you got the RR(FS)O, time will tell. I think the only regulation that would be acceptable to businesses is NO regulation and go back to the 1800’s.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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« Reply #46 on: September 21, 2008, 10:45:03 AM »
So tell us, what was it that the customer in this situation did wrong then?

Hoteliers, just like everyone else, have a duty to know the relevant legislation, its the same for everyone.

And I do blame businesses when they appear to make unreasonable demands on their customers!

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« Reply #47 on: September 21, 2008, 02:36:03 PM »
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..........And I do blame businesses when they appear to make unreasonable demands on their customers!
Yeah, I agree. Especially insurance companies who gladly take your insurance premiums each year, and then look for any and every way of avoiding paying out if you have to make a claim! :)

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« Reply #48 on: September 21, 2008, 03:08:24 PM »
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..........And I do blame businesses when they appear to make unreasonable demands on their customers!
Yeah, I agree. Especially insurance companies who gladly take your insurance premiums each year, and then look for any and every way of avoiding paying out if you have to make a claim! :)
Couldn't agree more.  Hope you don't think I work for an insurance company, by the way.

Insurance contracts are legally binding and insurers can't avoid paying out if you the peril was covered and you fulfiled your part of the bargain.  The main misunderstanding I hear if when people buy a policy and wrongly assume it covers more than it does.  For example they think it covers theft, but it only covers theft following forcible entry etc.

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« Reply #49 on: September 21, 2008, 04:48:46 PM »
I've only ever imagined that your full-time job was running this home for the slightly bewildered known as Firenet house.

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« Reply #50 on: September 21, 2008, 05:55:55 PM »
Do you not think I would make an awfully good traffic warden?

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« Reply #51 on: September 21, 2008, 06:45:59 PM »
Why not have the fire net do at Davidrh hotel , whoever changes a detector in the slowest time buys the beer ,seems fair to me.
Its time to make a counter attack !

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« Reply #52 on: September 21, 2008, 08:26:25 PM »
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Why not have the fire net do at Davidrh hotel , whoever changes a detector in the slowest time buys the beer ,seems fair to me.
If they are series  Apollo 30's at the moment does using the series 300/series 65 adaptor count as cheating or being resourceful??

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« Reply #53 on: September 21, 2008, 09:07:00 PM »
Its been a good week and you've made me laugh
Goodnight all
PS all bookings by pre payment visa please

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« Reply #54 on: September 21, 2008, 10:48:18 PM »
David
Why not throw in a free towel and flatscreen tv with every booking-  after all it would cost you about the same.

I stayed in a  lodgy type place near Farnham this week no cold water from the bath tap or shower but both washbasin taps were hot and got hotter and hotter the longerr they ran. And the loo flushed with hot water too! The Eastern European guy on the desk seemed totally spaced out when I tried to tell him about it.  Got my motor scraped with a key in the pay and display hotel car park and although it said no smoking everywhere the place absolutely stank of weed being smoked. Shall give that place a wide berth in future.

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« Reply #55 on: September 22, 2008, 12:57:27 AM »
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David
Why not throw in a free towel and flatscreen tv with every booking-  after all it would cost you about the same.

I stayed in a  lodgy type place near Farnham this week no cold water from the bath tap or shower but both washbasin taps were hot and got hotter and hotter the longerr they ran. And the loo flushed with hot water too! The Eastern European guy on the desk seemed totally spaced out when I tried to tell him about it.  Got my motor scraped with a key in the pay and display hotel car park and although it said no smoking everywhere the place absolutely stank of weed being smoked. Shall give that place a wide berth in future.
Maybe an off topic thread on hotel stories is maybe needed?

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« Reply #56 on: September 22, 2008, 03:03:13 PM »
Apologies I have come to this topic very late. As someone who has dealt with UWFS for sometime now I can see where SOME hotels are coming from by charging extra to customers who generate UWFS from their rooms, by illicitly smoking. Please dont jump down my throat over this one, the girl in question at the start of the thread asked for a smoking room & therefore in this situation i feel she's been robbed.
I dont feel that people are being robbed however if they sneak a crafty fag in there room & set the fire alarm off. On one visit I did to a major  chain this situation happened & 60 breakfasts were ruined, by having to evacuate due to a smoker in a normal room setting the alarm off ( the manageress said the room reeked of cigarette smoke) so they charged the cost of the ruined meals to their credit card & evicted them. The residents in question didnt argue as they had been smoking in a non smoking room.
I'm not here to stick up for either side but if someone causes that much grief to other residents & causes the fire service to be called ( due to other circumstances caused by aforementioned room hindering the normal investigation, we were) then i cant argue with the action of the hotel.
These are my views and not the views of my employer

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« Reply #57 on: September 22, 2008, 04:35:56 PM »
Thanks for that steve..someone whose sees the others guys point of view at last !!!!!!!!!!!!

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« Reply #58 on: September 22, 2008, 04:37:25 PM »
Stevo, not a single person who has posted has disagreed that someone smoking in a non-smoking room should be held to account for their actions.

In the case in question someone was smoking in a 'smoking allowed' room and was 'fined' £1600 (Everyone but davidrh considers this to be daylight robbery!)

The question I would ask is what would happen if there was an unwanted alarm caused by steam, aerosol, dust or excessive flatulence created by the guest. (I've established unwanted alarms have been caused by all of these) Would there be a similar charge? Could the hotel prove it was the guest who caused the problem?

Even if someone was to have smoked in a non-smoking room there is the likely probability that they would deny this. I would imagine that, legally, it would be up to the hotel to prove that they did. This could be very difficult.

If however hotels are allowed to debit someone's payment card on their unilateral desicion it opens up the system for abuse.

How long will it be before someone is fined £1600 for the fire detector operating in their room even though they did nothing to cause it? The hotel says they must have been smoking and takes a charge. how would anyone feel in these circumstances.

I believe the practice of deducting money from someone's card under these circumstances is less legal than the people who wheelclamp and even they are being taken to task these days.

Hotels would be better placed to get all guests to sign a contract where it was understood that no claims could be made by guests against the hotel for any loss of the guests enjoyment due to circumstances beyond the hotel's control i.e due to fire alarms activating etc. They don't cover loss or damage to vehicles on their property so why not fire alarm systems.

The guests would just have to understand that the fire alarm system is installed for their own safety and they would therefore have to accept the consequences of the operation of such systems.

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« Reply #59 on: September 22, 2008, 04:38:40 PM »
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Thanks for that steve..someone whose sees the others guys point of view at last !!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't think anyone would be in dispute had she been smoking against hotel policy but the reasons behind the oginal post are clear.
As an aside - I've lost count of how many times I have requested a non-smoking room and it has been used as a smoking room on more than one occasion.