Northern Ireland Fire Legislation

[Tom Sutton]

When will Northern Ireland Fire Legislation come in line with the rest of the UK and which department is responsible for implementing it ?

Do they have a web site which keeps you up to date on how it progresses like the CLG web site?

[nearlythere]

When will Northern Ireland Fire Legislation come in line with the rest of the UK and which department is responsible for implementing it ?

Do they have a web site which keeps you up to date on how it progresses like the CLG web site?

Latest is April 2009.
Enforced by NIFRS.
Look at NIFRS Website.
There is the existing Fire Precautions (Workplace)(N.I.) Regs 2001 which is as it says workplace based and a FRA is required. The new regs will be very similar to your 2005 ones.

[Tom Sutton]

Thanks NT just what I wanted.

[Allen Higginson]

When will Northern Ireland Fire Legislation come in line with the rest of the UK and which department is responsible for implementing it ?

Do they have a web site which keeps you up to date on how it progresses like the CLG web site?

Latest is April 2009.
Enforced by NIFRS.
Look at NIFRS Website.
There is the existing Fire Precautions (Workplace)(N.I.) Regs 2001 which is as it says workplace based and a FRA is required. The new regs will be very similar to your 2005 ones.

By latest you surely mean earliest??

[nearlythere]

When will Northern Ireland Fire Legislation come in line with the rest of the UK and which department is responsible for implementing it ?

Do they have a web site which keeps you up to date on how it progresses like the CLG web site?

Latest is April 2009.
Enforced by NIFRS.
Look at NIFRS Website.
There is the existing Fire Precautions (Workplace)(N.I.) Regs 2001 which is as it says workplace based and a FRA is required. The new regs will be very similar to your 2005 ones.

By latest you surely mean earliest??

No. Latest means the latest update I have.

[Allen Higginson]

Latest is April 2009.
Enforced by NIFRS.
Look at NIFRS Website.
There is the existing Fire Precautions (Workplace)(N.I.) Regs 2001 which is as it says workplace based and a FRA is required. The new regs will be very similar to your 2005 ones.

By latest you surely mean earliest??

No. Latest means the latest update I have.

Sorry,was playing on words with reference to the speed and efficiency of our local government.

[nearlythere]

By latest you surely mean earliest??

No. Latest means the latest update I have.

Sorry,was playing on words with reference to the speed and efficiency of our local government.

Buzz
You seem to have used contradictory terms. "Speed and efficiency of our local government" I know that when you use the words speed and efficiency it wasn't specifically in the context of the abundance of it?
The only speedy and efficient requirement of local and national government is the expenses office.

[Allen Higginson]

No. Latest means the latest update I have.

Sorry,was playing on words with reference to the speed and efficiency of our local government.

Buzz
You seem to have used contradictory terms. "Speed and efficiency of our local government" I know that when you use the words speed and efficiency it wasn't specifically in the context of the abundance of it?
The only speedy and efficient requirement of local and national government is the expenses office.

...and getting in the queue for the subbied lunches up in the big house on the hill!

[nearlythere]

Sorry,was playing on words with reference to the speed and efficiency of our local government.

Buzz
You seem to have used contradictory terms. "Speed and efficiency of our local government" I know that when you use the words speed and efficiency it wasn't specifically in the context of the abundance of it?
The only speedy and efficient requirement of local and national government is the expenses office.

...and getting in the queue for the subbied lunches up in the big house on the hill!

To right. No fish suppers and mushy peas up there.

[colin todd]

The people of NI are good and decent folk, who like to watch England get things in a total mess and learn from it, so getting it right first time in NI. That is exactly what happened with the Workplace Regs. The good thing about the new NI legislation is that it does not copy the English legislation, but is virtually identical in wording to the Scottish legislation. Thus, in NI there will be no responsible person, so mirroring the streets of Belfast at closing time.

[Allen Higginson]

The people of NI are good and decent folk, who like to watch England get things in a total mess and learn from it, so getting it right first time in NI. That is exactly what happened with the Workplace Regs. The good thing about the new NI legislation is that it does not copy the English legislation, but is virtually identical in wording to the Scottish legislation. Thus, in NI there will be no responsible person, so mirroring the streets of Belfast at closing time.

I was going to protest against that last statement but cannot find any grounds to do so!!!

[nearlythere]

The people of NI are good and decent folk, who like to watch England get things in a total mess and learn from it, so getting it right first time in NI. That is exactly what happened with the Workplace Regs. The good thing about the new NI legislation is that it does not copy the English legislation, but is virtually identical in wording to the Scottish legislation. Thus, in NI there will be no responsible person, so mirroring the streets of Belfast at closing time.

There may not be a Responsible Person Colin, but there will be a person responsible. That being the person with duties under Art 25 and 26 of the Order, ie the employer or a person who has control to any extent of relevant premises respectively.

I have been a responsible person at closing time in Belfast. I may not have been in control but I was responsible. I think?

[colin todd]

Yes, I know - these articles are a straight copy of Sections 53 and 54 of the Fire (Scotland) Act. But by avoiding the use of the stupid word responsible person, it will not confuse the fire and rescue authority as it so often does in England, whereby they think that, if anyone  has any duties of running a joint,  they (the FRS) can make them the RP to which the Order makes reference. I told you, its all the schools' fault. Anyway, you dont need to worry cos there is no RP in the NI Order, they still have grammar schools in NI, and the nice chaps of the NI F&RS never get confused by anything (other than where their equipment has disappeared to after they attend fires on some of the estates).

[nearlythere]

Yes, I know - these articles are a straight copy of Sections 53 and 54 of the Fire (Scotland) Act. But by avoiding the use of the stupid word responsible person, it will not confuse the fire and rescue authority as it so often does in England, whereby they think that, if anyone  has any duties of running a joint,  they (the FRS) can make them the RP to which the Order makes reference. I told you, its all the schools' fault. Anyway, you dont need to worry cos there is no RP in the NI Order, they still have grammar schools in NI, and the nice chaps of the NI F&RS never get confused by anything (other than where their equipment has disappeared to after they attend fires on some of the estates).

Don't know about that. I have seen many nice chaps of the NIFRS very confused at times. It seems to be linked to the level of promotion.

[Tom Sutton]

But by avoiding the use of the stupid word responsible person, it will not confuse the fire and rescue authority as it so often does in England, whereby they think that, if anyone  has any duties of running a joint,  they (the FRS) can make them the RP to which the Order makes reference.

The use of a title to identify an individual or group could mean the use of a couple of words instead of a paragraph I would choose the title. If this is the case what title would you use to identify the Person or Persons who has the Responsibility to implement the order.

As to the FRS being confused then that could be up to the calibre or poor training of the new entrants into fire safety, also the lack guidance from government similar to that provided when the FPA was introduced.