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Offline Morri

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Change to Signage Standards?
« on: December 11, 2008, 02:48:17 PM »
Our Health & Safety bod was at an area H&S meeting this morning where another attendee was getting rather concerned about the "changes to the sign regs due in January".

I can't find anything about it on the web, is there to be a change or has someone got hold of the wrong end of the stick?

Offline wee brian

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2008, 04:25:29 PM »
News to me. And I would have thought that I would have heard about it.

Offline davidandrewsuk

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #2 on: December 12, 2008, 09:23:52 AM »
ISO 7010 is going to become a European Normative.

This means that the Euro Sign will be illegal.

I think this is as of January but wont be written into law until much later.

Still.... time to get an early start.

Offline afterburner

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2008, 09:34:52 AM »
Could you clarify that David? (sorry I didn't understand the illegality bit)

Offline davidandrewsuk

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2008, 09:56:14 AM »
As i understand it (which may be wrong)

Once it becomes a PR EN it is then required to be written into each countries law.

So in theory eventually non ISO standard signs will be like the sundance kid (an outlaw!)

Offline SmokeyDokey

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2008, 10:38:06 AM »
Much the same as when the safety signs directive had to be implmented. However, as with implementation of the Directive by virtue of the Health and Safety(Signs and Signals) Regulations one would hope some provision will be made for signs that are pretty similar to be allowed to remain in place or be used (as was the case for BS pictographic signs).
I know that you believe you understand what you think I said, but I'm not sure you realize that what you heard is not what I meant.

Offline wee brian

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2008, 05:05:35 PM »
The legal bit is a little wayward.

A prEN isnt a proper EN so i doubt theres any legal requirement going to be applied.

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #7 on: December 15, 2008, 12:03:36 PM »
ISO 7010 is going to become a European Normative.

This means that the Euro Sign will be illegal.

I think this is as of January but wont be written into law until much later.

Still.... time to get an early start.

Excuse my ignorance, but is that the 'running man'?

Offline wee brian

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #8 on: December 15, 2008, 01:40:07 PM »
As I understand it the ISO pictogramme is the same one that is in the BS. If the ISO standard gets adopted by CEN then the man chasing fridge pictogramme could be phased out (which would be good).

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #9 on: December 15, 2008, 01:53:18 PM »
In simple terms:



First one being the "man running towards fridge" often said to be less well understood than the second one.

Offline jokar

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #10 on: December 15, 2008, 02:16:53 PM »
In this politically motivated world, the international symbol for escape is used  ie the running man.

Offline John Webb

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #11 on: December 15, 2008, 02:27:37 PM »
What's wrong with someone walking rather than running? We've been teaching people for years that they should walk, not run, when a building is being evacuated.......
John Webb
Consultant on Fire Safety, Diocese of St Albans
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Offline wee brian

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2008, 02:48:42 PM »
Try drawing a picture of a walking man. They did a fair bit of research to develop the pictogramme - it works.

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #13 on: December 15, 2008, 03:38:33 PM »
Maybe it should be a running person?

But I think the ease of understanding has already been studied in detail and that the BS version is understood by a wider audience.

Offline davidandrewsuk

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Re: Change to Signage Standards?
« Reply #14 on: December 15, 2008, 04:09:35 PM »
The BS/ISO pictograms have all been tested to ensure intuitive understanding.

There is another BS/ISO that they have all been tested to which is a BS all about intuitive sign understanding etc.

Cant remember the number ... 9836 or something.

Although its a PR EN as in proposed, its very much likely to become a full blown EN.