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intumescent strips
« on: February 03, 2009, 01:53:43 PM »
Can anyone tell me if the fitting of intumescent strips to bedroom doors in hotels need to be certified under Scottish legislation, or can they be purchased and fitted by a joiner.
Also do the doors require brushes fitted to the base.

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2009, 02:07:45 PM »
Can anyone tell me if the fitting of intumescent strips to bedroom doors in hotels need to be certified under Scottish legislation, or can they be purchased and fitted by a joiner.
Also do the doors require brushes fitted to the base.
They should be fitted by a competent person such as a joiner if he/she knows how to do it.
The bottom does not normally need done.
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2009, 03:15:10 PM »
Skeendo

To fit strips properly,  the doors need to be removed and routed out in the workshop

If this is a problem see if your local FRS will accept Envirograph products. These can be fitted on site, and are an excellent alternative. ;D

As nearlythere says, a competent person is needed to fit (yes I know it looks easy but poor installation will reduce half-hour down to less than half) :'(


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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2009, 04:41:09 PM »
The bottom does not normally need done.
Unless its a draughty  bottom.

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2009, 06:16:40 PM »
Thanks for the input.

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2009, 09:10:42 PM »
A fire and rescue service cannot and should not give preference to a particular company's products nor are they qualified to make judgements regarding these. The Moderator might wish to delete the reference to one company, which is effectively promoting that company's products. Fire and rescue authorities will accept ALL products that staisfy the relevant requirement, including those of the many companies other than that mentioned above.
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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #6 on: February 04, 2009, 08:34:44 AM »
Skeendo

see Section 2 (Fire), paragraph 2.1.14 of the Technical Handbook (non-domestic) for compliance with the Scottish Building Standards,for installation benchmarks. and Annex 2.d (resistance to fire) 

the brushes are not fitted to the base of the door (normally).

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2009, 09:36:02 AM »
Colin

The postings on here are full of company names.
I am just trying to help
If you know of another company doing the same product then by all means let us all know
As we all know it is better to get the I/O onside before blowing hard earned cash
It may be the hotel cannot afford to have rooms out of commission


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ps does Lady T's maid use a sucking up dirt product?

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2009, 09:42:53 AM »
Colin

The postings on here are full of company names.
I am just trying to help
If you know of another company doing the same product then by all means let us all know
As we all know it is better to get the I/O onside before blowing hard earned cash
It may be the hotel cannot afford to have rooms out of commission


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ps does Lady T's maid use a sucking up dirt product?

Do some posters not advertise and promote their own companies on this website, which is accessible by anyone, by providing a link to their websites? Don't actually see anything wrong with it. Just a thought.
« Last Edit: February 04, 2009, 09:58:41 AM by nearlythere »
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #9 on: February 04, 2009, 10:08:16 PM »
Nearly theres a rule that allows members a single link.

Personally If I can help someone out with a bit of specific advice about a specific product to solve their problem I see nothing wrong with it. I think thats what this sort of forum is all about. Caveat emptor applies and it will at least set someone off on the right tracks. Come on we recommend books, door hold open devices, third party accreditation schemes, various trade organisations. If we worry too much we will end up like the BBC scared of our own shadow.

Just going to have a glass of fermented hops malt and barley brewed under specific controlled conditions and served with a thick creamy head. Whats yours?

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2009, 07:45:13 AM »
Nearly theres a rule that allows members a single link.

Personally If I can help someone out with a bit of specific advice about a specific product to solve their problem I see nothing wrong with it. I think thats what this sort of forum is all about. Caveat emptor applies and it will at least set someone off on the right tracks. Come on we recommend books, door hold open devices, third party accreditation schemes, various trade organisations. If we worry too much we will end up like the BBC scared of our own shadow.

Just going to have a glass of fermented hops malt and barley brewed under specific controlled conditions and served with a thick creamy head. Whats yours?

Had a few the other night. Black Ambrosia. Wonderful stuff and so good at flushing out the system. Unfortunately you don't get the real stuff over there. Southern Ireland is the mecca for the really real stuff and the further south one goes the more orgasmic it becomes.
Mind you, it's not for the faint hearted limey type.
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2009, 12:45:13 PM »
I have no problems with the naming of companies or products provided they do the job.

Whilst on the sibject of retro fitting seals has any one considered the possible asbestos content of fire resisting doors?

I have been involved with the stansdards for upgrading a considerable number of fire resisting dooors in multi storey flats (whether you agree the need or not) but it has been mentioned that some doors may contain asbestos.

I have not considered this before and apart from the old method of upgrading, where a panel of asbestos was screwed to the risk side or infill panels used.

 Other than the above I am unsure how asbestos content could be identified or how common this is in fire resisting doors.

Any comments apreciated.

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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2009, 02:11:11 PM »
The duty to manage asbestos is contained in regulation 4 of the Control of Asbestos Regulations 2006

The Asbestos Regulations include the 'duty to manage asbestos’ in non-domestic premises.
Non-domestic premises also include those 'common’ areas of certain domestic premises: purpose-built flats or houses converted into flats. The common areas of such domestic premises might include foyers, corridors, lifts and lift-shafts, staircases, roof spaces, gardens, yards, outhouses and garages - but would not include the flat itself. Such common areas would not include rooms within a private residence that are shared by more than one household such as bathrooms, kitchens etc in shared houses and communal dining rooms and lounges in sheltered accommodation.

Guidance on the duty to manage asbestos can be found in the Approved Code of Practice The Management of Asbestos in Non-Domestic Premises, L127, ISBN 9780 7176 6209 8


If existing asbestos containing materials are in good condition, they may be left in place, their condition monitored and managed to ensure they are not disturbed.

The Control of Asbestos Regulations 2006require the "dutyholder to:
•   take reasonable steps to find out if there are materials containing asbestos in non-domestic premises, and if so, its amount, where it is and what condition it is in;
•   presume materials contain asbestos unless there is strong evidence that they do not;
•   make, and keep up-to-date, a record of the location and condition of the asbestos containing materials - or materials which are presumed to contain asbestos;
•   assess the risk of anyone being exposed to fibres from the materials identified;
•   prepare a plan that sets out in detail how the risks from these materials will be managed;
•   take the necessary steps to put the plan into action;
•   periodically review and monitor the plan and the arrangements to act on it so that the plan remains relevant and up-to-date; and
•   provide information on the location and condition of the materials to anyone who is liable to work on or disturb them. [/li][/list]

There is also a requirement on anyone to co-operate as far as is necessary to allow the dutyholder to comply with the above requirements.
When work with asbestos or which may disturb asbestos is being carried out, the Asbestos Regulations require employers and the self-employed to prevent exposure to asbestos fibres. Where this is not reasonably practicable, they must make sure that exposure is kept as low as reasonably practicable by measures other than the use of respiratory protective equipment. The spread of asbestos must be prevented. The Regulations specify the work methods and controls that should be used to prevent exposure and spread.
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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2009, 02:56:13 PM »
Thanks Kurnal for the rules and regs of asbestos what I realy need is any persons experience involving the possibility of asbestos being within the construction of a door. Is this likely to be common and can they be identified.

The common, hardwood frame, fully glazed doors, I would think will have no asbestos but solid core doors can be constructed in many ways, was asbestos a common method used?.

This is the difficulty as many asbestos surveys are not intrusive and the internals of a door will not have been examined. Routing the edges to fit seals will be a risk of disturbing asbestos, the fitting of surface mounted smoke seals (from the above named company) is an option but it is preferd to fit the more substantial dual strips with brush seals. The use of rubber blades is discounted due to being easly  damaged.

 


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Re: intumescent strips
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2009, 03:08:10 PM »
jayjay

Back in the seventies, if we needed to upgrade a door to half-hour it was cheaper to screw/fit a full size panel to one side and then paint over it (Police Blue!)

We did quite a few.
The panels were maybe three eighths (10mm) thick and provided the paint was only a few coats you could tell by the surface texture if it was iffy or not
I don't ever remember using the asbestos in other places but memory and foamy brown liquid may have diminished my recollection.

As above, leave in situ in good condition or replace the whole door (remember the Duty to dispose of legally)

davo