BWF fire door short video

[Ricardo]

An interesting short film about fire doors is now available at this link

http://www.bwf.org.uk/firedoors.

[jayjay]

Just received my free BWF Fire Resisting Door Gap Checker it came with a CD containing the same video and also a maintenance guide.

see the site for requesting the Gap Checker

[colin todd]

Its a brilliant demo of why I/os waste peoples money demanding upgrading of exisiting fire doors.

[jayjay]

Disagree with last comments, the video is of a furnace test which produces nice clean white smoke, bit different from a plastic TV or foam mattres burning.

[CivvyFSO]

Disagree with last comments, the video is of a furnace test which produces nice clean white smoke, bit different from a plastic TV or foam mattres burning.

The colour of the smoke makes little difference to whether the door burns through or not which is the whole point of a fire resisting doorset.

[colin todd]

CIVVVVVVVYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!  Am I to understand you have a modicum of agreement with me????Can this be true or is it just a wild dream on my part? Either way you have to agree the smoke is very pretty. Ummmmmmmmm I dont know much about these things of course, cos, like you, I cant double-declutch lorries, but if there was one of these new fangled fire detector thingys in that furnace would it not kind of notice the whacking great post flashover conditions in the furnace.

[twistedfirestopper]

Just received my free BWF Fire Resisting Door Gap Checker it came with a CD containing the same video and also a maintenance guide.

see the site for requesting the Gap Checker

How do you get the free gap checker? I could not see any hint of it on their website!

[Ricardo]

Drop them a line here

http://www.bwf.org.uk/no_cache/firedoors/about-the-scheme/understanding-the-label/?sword_list%5B%5D=tester

[CivvyFSO]

CIVVVVVVVYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!  Am I to understand you have a modicum of agreement with me????Can this be true or is it just a wild dream on my part? Either way you have to agree the smoke is very pretty. Ummmmmmmmm I dont know much about these things of course, cos, like you, I cant double-declutch lorries, but if there was one of these new fangled fire detector thingys in that furnace would it not kind of notice the whacking great post flashover conditions in the furnace.

I think it just might, and in a non-sleeping risk this should be enough to ensure a reasonable level of safety. In a sleeping risk the situation is clearly different, caused generally by potential excessive pre-movement times, and the alarm system design. If you want to say that people are safer in their rooms, then you need to afford them that level of safety where the extra few minutes a proper doorset gives them could be the difference between getting out or not.

Something I mention time and time again is that when we ask for something it is usually because what is in place is very poor. When someone comes on here bleeting about the jack booted FSO asking them to upgrade their doors, what they will tend to miss out in their description of the story is the 10mm gaps at the top and sides of the door, the hole where the handle used to be, the general poor management etc etc etc....

[Midland Retty]

Thank you Civvy!!!

Stop I/O baiting Sir Todd!!

[wee brian]

We should make it an Olympic sport.

[colin todd]

Brian, Can I represent England?
Civvy, We dont expect people to remain in rooms in hotels, though I confess the princess and I did so in edinburgh recently, but that was cos we knew that Lothian and Borders finest would never let us die. Equally, I see great hope for you that you will know as much as we fire brigade chaps one day.

[colin todd]

Earl retty of sutton coldfield, would I ever do such a thing?

[CivvyFSO]

Civvy, We dont expect people to remain in rooms in hotels, though I confess the princess and I did so in edinburgh recently, but that was cos we knew that Lothian and Borders finest would never let us die.

But you are still looking at pre-movement times of potentially over 15 minutes according to PD7974-2 even with good management, upgrading a door could make a significant difference to an outcome there, although everything should clearly be taken on its own merits.

I am guessing that they had HD and you refused to move based on the knowledge that statistics show that you are very unlikely to die? Or they had SD and you refused to move purely on principle?

[colin todd]

Civvy

During the pre-movement time, it is unlikely that conditions will have reached flashover. Once they do, there will still be at least 15 minutes before a titchy wee flame is sustained on the safe side of the door, even without intumescent strips. By the time the strip blows, the occupants of the hotel will have checked into another hotel, had a 3 course meal, gone to bed, engaged in unbridled passion and fallen asleep, by which time they will probably have lost interest in the situation at their previous hotel, which, if located in London will be floating down the Thames aided by the discharge of 35 lines of hose discharged by the Messys.

With regards to the princess and myself strange as it may seem,I haven't the faintest idea what type of detectors were in the bedrooms of the hotel in question as taking an interest in that was not on my priority list.

As always, hope this helps with your CPD.