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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #60 on: March 20, 2009, 03:37:03 AM »
Ok Cleveland, but I am cancelling my holiday in the luxurious bed and breakfast in the "Whatever it Takes" area of Middlesbrough and taking my wee girl to the Beveley Hills Hilton instead. The Americans will appreciate my sense of humour more, as they are a fairly unsophisticated race. (Oops am I being broad brush again?)
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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #61 on: March 20, 2009, 03:39:22 AM »
Alas, the lesson was wasted as it assumed that, in saying, it was only where there is a choice of S and Z, people would always know where choice existed. I now see why we need prescriptive codes.
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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #62 on: March 20, 2009, 02:05:11 PM »
Lord Todd

As a fellow Laird (I purchazed a one metre zquare piece of turf near an unheard of  Loch in Bonny Zcotland - the honourary title waz free) I am very keen to zee that ztandards are maintained within zociety, and the izzue of zpelling and grammar iz of course a fundemental one.

Az you correctly point out "z" was in uze way before "s".

However the  "s" is now the accepted spelling and anything else would be grammatically incorrect. Now you can either accept my opinion or admit you are wrong.  ;D

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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #63 on: March 20, 2009, 02:47:52 PM »
Lord Toddy walks around a hill one day and finds Mr. Retty scooping water from a Highland stream and drinking the cold water.
 
'Hey' shouts Lord Toddy 'dinna drink the waater frae thon burn it's fu' of coo's keech and *ish'.

Mr. Retty looks around and says 'My good man, 'One is English, would your repeat what you said in English so that one may understand?'.

 'Och aye' says Lord Toddy 'please use both hands so that you don't spill a drop'

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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #64 on: March 20, 2009, 03:05:33 PM »
A young lad from Glasgow went to his dad one day and asked "Dad, can you lend me 30p?" His dad said "20p? What do you want 10p for?
We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #65 on: March 20, 2009, 06:14:01 PM »
M.R., Afterburner & Nearlythere you should all be in the Banter Bar with all this stuff. No wonder the bar takings are down with you lot out here trying to wind up Lord Toddy! And fancy thinking he would admit to being wrong!

Furthermore officer Dibble will soon notice your banter and slap your wrists. That's, of course, if he is back from his safari yet.

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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #66 on: March 20, 2009, 06:34:25 PM »
It's a little too expensive in the Banter Bar now what with the government's chief quack cranking up the prices to see how much the counter propper uppers can take before they start to squeal.
The removal of the "as much as you can drink for a half crown" alcopops is causing problems as CT is prone to a few big swallys o the sticky green one with his bag of chips before he rolls home to her indoors.

We're not Brazil we're Northern Ireland.

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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #67 on: March 23, 2009, 02:44:57 AM »
Conquistador Retty, You can never be a laird as you are English and, worse still (if thats possible) a Midlander. Far from z being grammatically incorrect, it remains the "correct" (ie preferred) spelling in the OED. I am sure if you look you will find a copy of this in Retty Towers. If you cant find it anywhere, it may be under the coal in the bath.
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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #68 on: March 23, 2009, 01:51:17 PM »
Oh Grand Articifer Todd I'm afraid your comments constitute racism!

I'm deeply and  utterly offended. I have removed you forthwith from my Christmas card list. How very extremely dare you!

Her Royal Highness Mrs Retty (INNL) has had me paint the aforementioned coal white after I made a mess in the bathroom looking for my ellusive lexicon.

That actually sounds rather rude - I should point out I was referring to coal dust being everywhere.

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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #69 on: March 24, 2009, 11:31:31 AM »
I couldn’t help feeling dizappointed after attending the FIA conference last week.

A lot of talking by some good speakers but I left without the answers the RP needs.

The RRO is now a toddler and is walking, talking and potty trained, but it seems like the FIA are still keeping it in the pram and nappies for as long as possible.

I understand that as a new representative body they need to get things right but I can’t help thinking that the IFE vein runs right through the heart of the committee.

The biggest problem for this committee is not being brave enough to look forward. There is more than enough expertise on the committee to decide what a third party accreditation scheme should contain.

Instead of running with the existing schemes why not make a wish list and then offer it up to the accrediting bodies as a national model.

Why take a step back at this stage? 

The national scheme is the only way to go; I started this thread with a genuine intent to offer an alternative to the mess that we have now and from reading between the lines it seems like the FIA are going to perpetuate the non uniformity of the existing accreditations.

How can an IFSM, an IFE and a Warrington accredited assessor be the same?

They can’t; and how is an RP supposed to know that.

They could be if they all ran with the same scheme, an FIA specification scheme.

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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #70 on: March 24, 2009, 11:38:08 PM »
Hiya Bobbins.  The following is purely my own opinion and although I am fortunate to sit on the Council I have no mandate whatsoever to speak on its behalf.

I am not convinced that if the FIA proposed a national scheme at this time that it would currently have the standing to focus the industry, to achieve any greater penetration or lead to any greater take up of accreditation than the IFE, Warrington or any other scheme currently has. Yes these schemes are all very different and some appear to offer very little to any party.

You correctly point out the RRO is a toddler and potty trained- a good analogy - but are you suggesting now is the time for the embryonic FIA Risk Assessment Council to teach it to run a 4 minute mile?  The Council has only met three times!

The role of the FIA is first and formost as a trade association set up to represent the interests of the member companies, and in doing so to offer some tangible assurance of professional standards to help market the services of its members. It has done this with huge success in respect of the alarms and extinguisher branches of the fire industry.  The Risk Assessment Council is embryonic, it is currently looking at what is out there and assessing the value of the existing certification schemes and where these fit within its own objectives. The Council has to establish its own standing in the National forums- Politicians, Civil Service, Enforcers,  Professional Institutions and to attract a ground swell of member companies in order to have a credible voice. In all honesty we also have to attract a broad spectrum of companies if we are to be fully representative, from the one man bands to the multinationals.

A huge number of risk assessments are currently carried out by micro companies. We have to be careful as an industry body to attract and to represent the interests of all member companies.

We should not be seen as seeking to introduce additional hurdles for them to overcome simply because of the inherent weaknesses in the way the legislation was concieved, implemented and enforced. Once the membership base has become established we will then be able to assess how best to represent their interests.

In my opinion now is not the time for the FIA to try and develop its own criteria for certification scemes. To do so could easily develop into yet another  betamax/VHS scenario. I agree that leadership is a great thing to aspire to but first you have to amass your troops. Its all about the right judgement over timing and readiness. The Council has some very high profile members of huge standing which should help the organisation establish a credible voice, and what we do and how we do it will determine our success in attracting  new member companies. 

I reckon if not already on the Council you would have a lot to offer? :)
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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #71 on: March 25, 2009, 01:40:42 AM »
I couldn’t help feeling dizappointed after attending the FIA conference last week.

A lot of talking by some good speakers but I left without the answers the RP needs.

The RRO is now a toddler and is walking, talking and potty trained, but it seems like the FIA are still keeping it in the pram and nappies for as long as possible.

I understand that as a new representative body they need to get things right but I can’t help thinking that the IFE vein runs right through the heart of the committee.

The biggest problem for this committee is not being brave enough to look forward. There is more than enough expertise on the committee to decide what a third party accreditation scheme should contain.

Instead of running with the existing schemes why not make a wish list and then offer it up to the accrediting bodies as a national model.

Why take a step back at this stage? 

The national scheme is the only way to go; I started this thread with a genuine intent to offer an alternative to the mess that we have now and from reading between the lines it seems like the FIA are going to perpetuate the non uniformity of the existing accreditations.

How can an IFSM, an IFE and a Warrington accredited assessor be the same?

They can’t; and how is an RP supposed to know that.

They could be if they all ran with the same scheme, an FIA specification scheme.

Bobbins I understand your frustrations totally.But, and this is a big but, the FIA needs more support to implement theforward thinking you speak of. There is a large rift at the moment in terms of the Regulatory Reform (Fire Safety) Order 2005 and the interested parties that deal with it on a regular basis. It is a big learning curve for all of us. Whilst any trade association should be forward thinking it can only move as fast as the industry will allow and until we all try and get round the table and thrash out common problems we can't expect our trade assocations to do the same. This is an ideal time to put differences aside and get talking for the benefit of all concerned. as a Game Keeper turned Poacher I do have a greater appreciation of the matters encountered on both sides. Yet both sides actually want the same thing.

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Re: National Register of Fire Risk Assessors
« Reply #72 on: March 27, 2009, 10:17:04 AM »
Kurnal and Cleveland

Thanks for your understanding, and you are both correct I am frustrated.

However unlike the both of you I don’t think a national scheme is like a toddler running a 4 minute mile or far from the scope of the new FIA committee.

It is a brave step to take but with the quality of people on the committee it would be just like a toddler learning to ride a bike. The committee could take off the stabilizers and run behind it before letting it go. The hardest bit is knowing when to take off the stabilizers and I think now is the right time, it may fall down but that’s part of the thrill.

I only have one drum to beat at the moment and part of my huge frustration is that people with the power, experience and respect within the industry; don’t want to change the mess for the good of the RP.

I know the reason why and it is the oldest reason of all…………………. money!