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Offline jayjay

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Student flats not now Halls of Residence?
« on: May 22, 2009, 01:05:13 PM »
I came across this recent article relating to halls of residence which is billed as a land mark case.

Can any one provide more detail as to the design? They sound a bit like Houses in Multiple occupation rather than flats, particularly if they share the cooking areas, and are not a single family.

The implications could be interesting if domestic flats fire safety standards are applies. 

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 LANDMARK court ruling involving a Yorkshire law firm has clarified the way fire safety regulations are implemented at tens of thousands of student flats across the UK.

District Judge Shamim A Qureshi’s ruling that the design of student accommodation by provider Victoria Hall, which was represented by York-based Denison Till, means they are classed as domestic homes rather than halls of residence and has averted a change in fire safety strategy for similar flats nationwide.

Isle of Man-based Victoria Hall, which has an office in Sheffield, called technical advice from Carillion Specialist Services in Leeds in its appeal against enforcement notices from West Midlands Fire Service regarding its student accommodation in Selly Oak, Birmingham, which has a design replicated at other UK sites.

Denison Till partner Jonathan Cripwell said: “This case arose because of the designation by West Midlands Fire Service of the building as a traditional 'hall of residence’ and applying fire safety strategy to that design rather than to the design of a modern, self-contained block of flats which is built in a fundamentally different way in terms of fire safety strategy.”

The enforcement notices, requesting that smoke detectors were placed in all the private bedrooms and that additional seals were added to doors, followed a fire started by a toaster at the Birmingham flats in January 2008.

A requested improvement to ducts between the floors was carried out without dispute.

West Midlands Fire Service said the flats, occupied by four or five students each with their own private room, were classed as halls of residence, meaning they were under certain fire regulations, while Victoria Hall and Denison Till argued that the flats were domestic premises and the fire service had no authority to impose additional fire safety measures on them.

Expert witness evidence for Victoria Hall at Birmingham Magistrates Court came from Carillion Specialist Services which is government-licensed to give building regulations approval for construction projects and carry out fire risk assessments. 

West Midlands Fire Service argued that the buildings’ design did not alter the fact that they were classed as halls of residence.

Denison Till argued that the students occupied the flats as a 'domestic dwelling’ and cooked, ate, drank, relaxed and slept there. The hearing also heard that some students stay in their accommodation throughout the holidays, Christmas and Easter as their main residence.

Victoria Hall has 12 student accommodation sites throughout the UK and Europe.
       
Victoria Hall's Sheffield-based national operations manager, John Ripley, said: “This significant judgment directly affects our other student accommodation in Sheffield, Manchester, Liverpool and elsewhere and thousands of other student flats throughout the UK."

West Midlands fire Service is not to appeal against the judgment.


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Re: Student flats not now Halls of Residence?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2009, 11:35:06 PM »
Although the Lacors guide follows a similar line of logic insofar as giving guidance on appropriate standards in these type of premises the judgement in Birmingham was as to whether the FSO applied.

The case was an appeal against an Enforcement Notice.

The Judge ruled that the premises were Domestic Premises as defined in article 2 - "domestic premises" means premises occupied as a private dwelling (including any garden, yard, garage, outhouse, or other appurtenance of such premises which is not used in common by the occupants of more than one such dwelling).

He accepted an argument that the flats were indeed "occupied", were "dwellings" and were "private" as they were only accessed by the students who lived there (or their guests) regardless of the landlords access rights.

That decision having been made then the FSO could not apply due to Article 6 clause (1)a.  The enforcement notice was therefore invalid.

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Re: Student flats not now Halls of Residence?
« Reply #3 on: May 27, 2009, 07:30:28 AM »
Untill we know the lay out of the building its hard to coment, but we have loads of student blocks on our books and knowing what they get up to and the state they leave the comon areas in (blocking them with furniture, road signs etc etc) this ruling scares the sh** out of me.
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Re: Student flats not now Halls of Residence?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2009, 07:52:20 AM »
I wouldn't get too worried Thomas. Someone else, District Judge Shamim A Qureshi, has taken responsibility for the safety of the students. Only problem is if something goes wrong the judge will not be hauled in front of the coroner by the scruff of the neck to answer for the decision.
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2009, 10:05:15 AM »
I can't see what all the fuss is about. Students usually react well to fire alarms, as this video shows:  ::) ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE49P4vcMks

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Re: Student flats not now Halls of Residence?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2009, 11:06:10 AM »
Untill we know the lay out of the building its hard to coment, but we have loads of student blocks on our books and knowing what they get up to and the state they leave the comon areas in (blocking them with furniture, road signs etc etc) this ruling scares the sh** out of me.


The Buildings are the usual (nowadays) 4-5 bedroom flats entered off common stairways and therefore the FSO still applies to the common areas - just not to the inside of the flats.  Your housekeeping problems are still therefore covered?

The internal layout of the flats comply with current Building Regulations with the addition of a heat detector in the kitchen and lounge area (which is separated from the hall).

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Re: Student flats not now Halls of Residence?
« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2009, 12:45:06 PM »
I can't see what all the fuss is about. Students usually react well to fire alarms, as this video shows:  ::) ???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eE49P4vcMks

Thats assuming the houses have fire alarms.  When I was a student, I got to know the local fire station very well and on talking to firefighters, they said that the companies providing private student accommodation were not having fire alarms fitted.  When asked about this the companies were completely unconcerned about the students safety and said it wasn't their priority as the likelihood was that they (students) would only be there for a year anyway and its not worth the hassle.  The local fire station ended up voluntarily going round the area where these houses were and asking if students wanted one fitting.

In one case a group of students went to the Students Union for help and the case went to court, however I'm not 100% certain of the outcome of the case, but I think the students won.

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Re: Student flats not now Halls of Residence?
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2009, 02:02:33 PM »
I'm not sure there's much 'landmark' about it. I seem to recall thatthe courts ruled 100 years + ago that a student's rooms at a Cambridge College were the students private dwelling. Must see if I can find the reference.
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Re: Student flats not now Halls of Residence?
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 02:41:49 PM »
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