Pinqy

[JOHNHARPER]

Has anyone come across these http://www.pinqy.com/nieuws.php. ? Someone I know has just purchased 50 to place around his mansion house.  Must have been a good salesman

[Mr. P]

Quite some claim!

[AnthonyB]

It's not the only novel shape of small fire extinguisher available in the UK - http://www.absfire.it/prodotto.php?id=2013

Also the design is not new - it was first used over 40 years ago by Ansul in their small marine fire extinguisher

Impressive claims, looking at the fact it is claiming ABEF capability means that although it looks like it is filled with AFFF, it must be actually something more akin to Cold Fire.

Having found some video footage it must be a catalytic agent like Cold Fire, if you believe what you see.

My worry is the short discharge time in untrained hands and the fact it isn't made to any standard, plus no mention of PED or CE mark compliance, however in a more appropriately shaped cylinder the agent could be a Halon replacement for police use.

[EC]

The design of this extinguisher is innovative and cannot be compared with the Ansule Marine Extinguisher from the year 1959. Fyi PinQY has obtained the `Prix Janus de L`industrie 2007`, the oldest and most prestigious design award in France (since 1953).

Further more PinQY has a discharge time of 7 seconds, a 1KG powder extinguisher has only 6 sec, and this with only 210ml or +/- 1/5. (so imagine what 1L would do). So nothing to worry about discharging time. Please do not forget that due to the attractive design people place nearby and therefore can react immediately.

Also PinQY is completely PED-certified and bears the CE-marking.

It kills A, B, C and F-fires, but with no reignition possible! So once an object in fire (wood, paper, textile, oil, fat fire, ...) has been extinguished you cannot reignite it. So we do not only take one element of the fire triangle away (oxygen) as with powder.

Finally our extinguishing medium is 100% biological and it is not a catalytic agent like Cold fire or Halon.

[EC]

example:

1) not killing of a fat fire because you do not take away the `heat`-factor, so you have auto-reignition (powder- co2, etc...)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgpxYLYxiDM

2) Killing of a fat fire with PinQY, filled with only 210 ml

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ha-6yaRO94k

[kurnal]

Look I think people should come clean on any vested interests here. The last posting shows that if you apply C02 incorrectly the fire  will reignite. So What?  It impress Dell boy but lets be honest this type of comparison is deceitful and if used for advertising purposes would be misrepresentation.

It sort of implies that this tiny device is better than a monster CO2.  It may be but what we need is proper comparisons.  What is the media- is it powder? Are there any COSHH issues?

Why do none of the retailers of these Pingy things declare the fire ratings for the product? I have yet to see any A/B/F fire ratings for these things- European, Bristish or American. Till I do,  I shall view all such claims with suspicion. Is it just a chance to rip off the public and make a fast buck?

[EC]

Look I think people should come clean on any vested interests here. The last posting shows that if you apply C02 incorrectly the fire  will reignite. So What?  It impress Dell boy but lets be honest this type of comparison is deceitful and if used for advertising purposes would be misrepresentation.

It sort of implies that this tiny device is better than a monster CO2.  It may be but what we need is proper comparisons.  What is the media- is it powder? Are there any COSHH issues?

Why do none of the retailers of these Pingy things declare the fire ratings for the product? I have yet to see any A/B/F fire ratings for these things- European, Bristish or American. Till I do,  I shall view all such claims with suspicion. Is it just a chance to rip off the public and make a fast buck?

Apparantly you have not taken the time to read carefully what has been written down.

Most extinguishers, powder / CO2 / etc..., which are the most common used extinguishers (certainly powder extinguishers), are not capable of killing a fat fire. They only `blow

[EC]

Look I think people should come clean on any vested interests here. The last posting shows that if you apply C02 incorrectly the fire  will reignite. So What?  It impress Dell boy but lets be honest this type of comparison is deceitful and if used for advertising purposes would be misrepresentation.

It sort of implies that this tiny device is better than a monster CO2.  It may be but what we need is proper comparisons.  What is the media- is it powder? Are there any COSHH issues?

Why do none of the retailers of these Pingy things declare the fire ratings for the product? I have yet to see any A/B/F fire ratings for these things- European, Bristish or American. Till I do,  I shall view all such claims with suspicion. Is it just a chance to rip off the public and make a fast buck?

Apparantly you have not taken the time to read carefully what has been written down.

Most extinguishers, powder / CO2 / etc..., which are the most common used extinguishers (certainly powder extinguishers), are not capable of killing a fat fire. They only `blow away the oxygen. When killing a fire you need also the bring the heat down so no reignition is possible. Most extinguishers cannot do this!

So stating that claiming this is deceiptfull and only used for advertising purposes and therefore misrepresentation can be clearly described as... misrepresentation of your side.

Concerning the rating: this has nothing to do with this concept. A bigger volume perhaps can show a higher rating, but as the reality shows even with a `big` extinguisher, so therefore with a higher rating, you cannot even kill a fat fire.

My posting on this website was a reaction to the fact that a member made a remarque concerning the absence of PED and CE-certification, which is not the case.

Perhaps it would be wiser to be informed about a product before making any statements.

[kurnal]

What are the fire ratings for this extinguisher please?  Simple question isnt it?

I have nothing against these extinguishers if they do as it says on the tin.

But ad hoc tests- especially when compared against other unsuitable media being incorrectly applied are clearly misleading. Why not compare its performance on cooking fat against a Class F wet chemical extinguisher? Its performance against oils compared with foam spray and conventional dry powder, and on class A fires agaisnt foam spray and water extinguishers? That would be a much more meaningful comparison, but the best way to prove this is to be transparent and tell us the fire ratings.

[EC]

What is on the tin, as you call it, is the reality.

A, B, C and F: clearly!

For A and B class: 5A - 21B minimum, with 210ml and discharge time of 7 sec. Please do not forget it is for home use, fi in the kitchen, for direct use. (you do not need to search for it because it is standing besides you). As you know time is a critical factor.

The difference with a Class F wet chemical? Well it only kills an F-fire and it is chemical. We kill A, B, C and F-fires with the same product and it is 100% biological.
The difference with powder? Powder does not kill a fat fire (unless perhaps you use 6KG) and it has no cooldown. It only blowes away the flames. (FI wood: you kill the flames, but the wood stays very hot and can reignite when windy).

etc.....

Finally fyi: we are supported in 9 european countries by insurance companies, this with a reason. Interesting to know is that an english insurance company recently has bought more than 100.000 units who will be given away to their clients in september of this year. So that is the 10th country and just the beginning.

You think it is that easy to get support from an insurance company if you have a bad product? I do not think so.

[kurnal]

Thanks EC. 5A 21B is the information I was looking for.

Its odd that this information does not appear on most of the websites marketing these extinguishers as far as I can tell. But that is not unusual and there are many aerosol based extinguishers on the market that do not have the fire ratings- and this is usually deliberate to avoid showing how poor their equipment actually is.

I understand the pingy to be a dry powder based extinguisher (according to one of the retailers on line) - if so  without giving away trade secrets can you tell us which class of powder ( bicarbonate class, phosphate class  etc ) it is and does it have any special features such as decrepitation that make it more effective than others?  And why if it s powder you say it has a volume of 210mL rather than quoting a weight of agent?

[EC]

PinQY WAS a powder extinguisher.

All of our websites needs to be updated, which will happen very soon.

As mentionned before: it is a 100% biological liquid.

It is a unique agent that kills the flames and has an immediate cooldown effect with no-reignition as an effect. To give you a perfect example of what our agent can do: if a house is on fire and the firemen kill the house on fire with water, they need to stay hours and hours afterwards so that their would be no reignition possible.

Kill that same house on fire with our agent and you can go home.

[kurnal]

Hi EC

Does the Pinqy have a rating for class F fires?

[EC]

Ratings are normally not used in F class

FYI PinQY is also capable of killing electrical fires or E-class

However E-class is not recognized in UK

Interesting info to understand that the agent we use is quite unique (A, B, C, E and F):

http://fireextinguisherguide.co.uk

[kurnal]

On the market there are many wet chemical extinguishers with a class F rating. A typical 6 litre wet chemical has a F75 rating ie suitable for up to 75 litres of cooking oil. Similarly theres at least one 2 litre class F on sale marketed with a 5A 40F rating.

In many ways I am not hung up on fire ratings for something like your pinqy in as much as if you can market it as a fashion icon and persuade people to have one in every room this would be a good thing and if a fire is discovered and tackled in its incipient stages then only a small extinguisher is  needed for a small fire. I wish you good luck with this as if they do take off it will make a contribution to increased fire safety.

But many class B and all class F fires are very  different- in so far as all of the fuel is heated to its ignition temperature at the time of ignition. So  its not an incipient or small fire that grows slowly - its pretty well all or nothing as far as the fire size is concerned. It is usually considered important to establish the total fuel volume and select a suitably sized  extinguisher before tackling the fire.