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Offline Goodsparks

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Re: Pinqy
« Reply #15 on: June 07, 2009, 03:09:08 PM »
EC - Are you able to post a link to the MSDS for the extinguishing media please ?

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Re: Pinqy
« Reply #16 on: June 07, 2009, 03:13:46 PM »
Problem, in a domestic situation, is that an A, B, C, E or F-class fire can occur.


Class A fires are those involving free burning materials, such as paper, wood, fabrics and other textiles, and also plastics

Class B fires involve flammable liquids and solids, such as diesel, petrol, and oils (but not cooking oils), plus solid fuels such as wax

Class C fires involve flammable gases, such as propane, butane and methane

Class D fires involve flammable metals such as sodium, potassium and magnesium

Electrical equipment fires involve electrical equipment such as switchgear or computers. (These are sometimes accidentally referred to as Class E fires, although the category does not officially exist in the UK*)

Class F fires are specific to cooking oils and fats




The problem with a wet chemical extinguisher or F-rated extinguisher from 2L:

Wet chemical fire extinguishers only work with animal fats and vegetable oils, so they cannot be used on Class B fires involving flammable liquids such as petrol or diesel.

They have usually been tested to a 13A Class A rating but should not be specified for anything other than a kitchen.


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So it is real good to have a 2L wet chemical extinguisher, but what can you do with your 2L on other types of fire? Acually.... nothing

And the same applies for other types of extinguishers.

With PinQY you have enough time and agent to easily kill a fat fire in a common domestic situation, and even other `objects` that would catch fire as a result of the fat fire.

And to conclude: each extinguisher has been developed to kill a starting fire. Not to kill a `fire`. So it is a prevention tool, not the `solution`.

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Re: Pinqy
« Reply #17 on: June 07, 2009, 03:20:31 PM »
EC - Are you able to post a link to the MSDS for the extinguishing media please ?

Paul

I could, but why should I do that? (not that we have to hide anything)

We work in the first place with insurance companies which are our main (and big) market. I am not here for advertising reason`s (as was suggested before) but to discuss the fact that the presumption `the bigger the better` is not allways correct information.

In a domestic situation, where 95% of the people do not have an extinguisher and are in fact critical consumers, you need to present a product that is acceptable for the consumer but also effective in terms of fire fighting.

We believe we achieved this.

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Re: Pinqy
« Reply #18 on: June 07, 2009, 03:39:56 PM »
Would be interested to take a look at it, that's all. Its a shame its not available on the pinqy website, if the product does have a 5a 21b rating it does sound impressive (most 1.5kg BCF's were only 3a 21b, and you only get 8a 55b out of a decent ABC 70 powder) and may appeal to some professional users. What BS/EN is the extinguisher manufactured to ?

Paul

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Re: Pinqy
« Reply #19 on: June 07, 2009, 03:50:08 PM »
As far as the website(s), I agree but this will be changed asap

For any further interest (we have a representation in the UK): ec @ pinqy . com

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Re: Pinqy
« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2009, 08:59:20 AM »
EC what are the projected prices of these extinguishers I was unable to see any prices on your site.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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Re: Pinqy
« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2009, 04:02:02 PM »
There are plenty of 'Wet Chemical' type of extinguishers available that are not just class A, E & F

Class F foams that are rated for A,B & F fires are available from several companies in tried & tested and kitemarked extinguishers:

e.g. Nu Swift 6 ltr Model 8166 - rated 75F : 27A : 233B
Synergy 2 ltr*  - rated 8A 70B 25F (uses the 2 ltr ANAF extinguisher body & valve)

So if I wanted a reliable tried and tested extinguisher for ABF use there are several around.

Giving away extinguishers doesn't mean that they are suitable for all situations - plenty of drug companies give own branded Firemaster 600g BC Powder aerosols away to GPs, but that doesn't imply they are the bee's knee's for all purposes.

Plus at least the Ansul Marine extinguisher had instruction  and maintenance labeling.

Just because it's not a traditional EN3 size doesn't mean it is no good, but that doesn't stop it getting suitable third party accreditation - the Soda Club 1 kilo CO2 can't get EN3 approval, but it still has CE marking, LLoyds Register & LPCB certification, so I am happy to use it, Amerex polished finish models can't get EN3 approval, but they are CE marked and UL approved, so again I'm happy.

It reminds me of Powex - another innovation that had an initial rave success, but never took off.

Book an afternoon at the UK Fire test ground in Norwich, bring a crate of Pinqy's along and let me have a go at some standard test fires and I'll happily shout your name from the roof tops if they do the job.

Oh by the way - a fire extinguisher is not a preventer* - a fire is a fire is a fire.

(*although thats not quite true as you can use foam on flammable liquid spills to prevent a fire, but in general the fact stands)
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