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Offline AM

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NHBC Research - Open Plan Flat Layouts
« on: October 07, 2009, 12:06:06 PM »
In the dry riser thread, a comment was made about the use of sprinklers in open plan flat layouts and the determination in June. Instead of sending that off at a tangent, I'll post here a link to a new report on fire safety in such designs produced by the NHBC/BRE.

http://www.nhbcfoundation.org/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=AHMmJKML8Hc%3d&tabid=394&language=en-GB

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Re: NHBC Research - Open Plan Flat Layouts
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2009, 02:52:52 PM »
What a brilliant link to a piece of research we have all been crying out for. Thanks for posting it.
Only skim read it so far but definately one for printing and in depth study.

It would be great if we had some way of finding out what research is in progress, this one took me unawares.

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Re: NHBC Research - Open Plan Flat Layouts
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2009, 08:52:16 PM »
I to had a quick skim and it appears to be saying layout 2a and 3a has the highest risk of injury or death which surprised me. I would need to be convinced.
All my responses only apply to England and Wales and they are an overview of the subject, hopefully it will point you in the right direction and always treat with caution.

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Re: NHBC Research - Open Plan Flat Layouts
« Reply #3 on: October 08, 2009, 01:44:01 PM »
And it also makes a bit of a nonsense of a few determinations knocking back open plan designs with sprinkler protection.

My tuppence worth here is that IMO the safety is very much reliant on the alarm system. A cause & effect showing the difference without an alarm would more than likely show that good old passive protection keeps the escape route viable much longer.

Also they mention that their research assumes that the sprinkler system always works, then they add a little snippet that reliability would be 'over 90%'. If I see a claim such as 'over 90%' I will always assume that it is lower than 95% otherwise they would have said 'over 95%' or 'almost 95%'. Therefore, giving the benefit of the doubt and taking an optimistic 95% reliability into account are we saying that it is ok to have sub-standard fire safety in 5% of dwellings designed this way? Also we must be assuming 100% reliability of the alarm system, (Which we are heavily relying on) so given true reliability figures, (Wiz or someone might be able to put some numbers to this) that would take that figure of 5% up a little higher.

All those bits aside, we can mess around with figures and "what-if"s all day long, I think that the provision of sprinklers would always be an improvement.