Key operated locks on Guest bedrooms

[Midland Retty]

Hi Stu

Its not that easy. I know I don't need to tell you that domestic scenarios are different to say B&Bs where you may be stopping in a building with other people whom you don't have any sway or control over. Plus you dont have full control of the building either.

Recently a well known fire risk assessor / consultant accused inspecting officers of not practicing what they preach. Its not suprising that IO's dont have the same precautions at home as those found in  commercial premises, so no they dont therefore practice what they preach for good reason. We all generally live in single domestic dwellings, where control and risk levels are very different to those found in commercial premises.

So I dont think anyone in the industry has the attituide  "do as we say, not as we do" at all

We simply give advice or enforce based on standards prevailing at the time applicable to the building being auditied. So the argument " but i bet you dont do that in your home so whay ask me to do it Mr Fire Officer / Mr Fire Alarm Installer / Mr Fire Consultant?" doesn't hold water

[kurnal]

I would never accuse you of a do as we say attitude Retty.

Tell you what though its funny how many wedged fire doors you will see when visiting brigade HQs in parts of the East and  West Midlands and come to that the brigade training offices in the biggest city in the South of England.

[Midland Retty]

Now come on Prof  ! Talk about sceptical... how do you know there isnt a policy in place which states staff will close the wedged doors on hearing fire alarms eh?...

Ahhh OK who am I trying to kid - youve got me -  I do hope though that you pointed out these things out to a relevant person on site - afterall health and safety is everyone's responsibility

Midland Retty, News at 10, Off his High Horse

[Clevelandfire 3]

I would never accuse you of a do as we say attitude Retty.

Tell you what though its funny how many wedged fire doors you will see when visiting brigade HQs in parts of the East and  West Midlands and come to that the brigade training offices in the biggest city in the South of England.

So is that the fire officers fault? Or the RPs fault Kurnal?

[kurnal]

Its everybodys fault Cleveland except mine.

Failures in Provision- RP
Maintenance. RP
Supervision. RP
Co-operation. RP and employees
Following  instructions. Employees
Reporting of hazards. Employees
Duty not to abuse. Employees
Observing but taking no action. Enforcers and other RPs who may share the same building.

[Midland Retty]

Unfortunately the point I was making has been missed
The assessor in question wanted to know why I didn't have things like mains powered smoke detection , thumb turn devices , emergency lighting at home - his logic being that I should practice what I preach - thus if I asked his client to install these items then I should intall them in my own home too. That is the argument that doesnt hold water

[Foggy]

Many thanks for your comments, most usful. It would seem ,broadly speaking, thatI am on the right track and will stick to my guns 'where necessary'.

[Clevelandfire 3]

Unfortunately the point I was making has been missed
The assessor in question wanted to know why I didn't have things like mains powered smoke detection , thumb turn devices , emergency lighting at home - his logic being that I should practice what I preach - thus if I asked his client to install these items then I should intall them in my own home too. That is the argument that doesnt hold water

I bet CivvyFSO has an all singing all dancing bells and whistles 5839 part 6 system at home, with emergency lighting in every room, sprinkler system, smoke extract system and external staircase from his bedroom. All that and a non compliance alarm situated which pages him everytime fire safety failings occur in his locale

[CivvyFSO]

It is all lies. Bells and whistles are unacceptable in my house.

[Clevelandfire 3]

Its no one's fault Cleveland except mine.

Failures in Provision- Kurnal
Maintenance. Kurnal
Supervision. Kurnal
Co-operation. Kurnal
Following  instructions. Kurnal
Reporting of hazards. Kurnal
Duty not to abuse. Kurnal
Improper or no use of the semi colon. Kurnal
Observing but taking no action. Kurnal

Hmmm well atleast you are honest

[Indiana]

Unfortunately the point I was making has been missed
The assessor in question wanted to know why I didn't have things like mains powered smoke detection , thumb turn devices , emergency lighting at home - his logic being that I should practice what I preach - thus if I asked his client to install these items then I should intall them in my own home too. That is the argument that doesnt hold water

The other reason is that there is no legislation stating we need all of these requirements in our homes. That coupled with the reduced risk anyway would logically mean that it would not be required.