Marine Standards/5839 Pt 1

[Allen Higginson]

Aside from equipment are there any signifcant differences between us land lubbers and those on the sea (must all fire systems be addressable now on ferrys for example)?

[colin todd]

Several differences. Think of vibration for example (but keep it clean).

[Allen Higginson]

After a seven hour round trip I have come to the conclusion that this may be a bit of a headache!!!
I have a two week window in Jan 2011 that the ship is in port for refitting work,other than that it sails 24/7 with passengers and associated vehicles.
They have told me that the regulations state that ALL ferries must now have an addressable fire alarm system installed and they are wanting this to be the case (the ship is 25 year old and currently has a 19" rack non-addressable system installed (incidentally,if anyone knows or has details on a Cerberus Guinard system in English it would be greatly appreciated!)).
Easiest way would be to use the existing cable and have it all on spurs (there are 74 zones) or to try and identify the start and ends of each zone and make loops with additional cabling - this would be my least preferred method for all of the very reasons you are thinking!
On the other hand,a totally new install is logistically a headache as even if a lot of it was done prior to the Jan 2011 refit there still is the issue of a rolling ship with passengers on board!!!!

Owwwww!

[AnthonyB]

These sell spares so may be able to source a manual:

http://www.ottoinstrument.com/otto/?doc=Capability&toc=All&Part_No=&Description=&Aircraft=&Manufacture=CERBERUS-GUINARD&Division=&ATA=&NSN=

Can't find a website, just entries in the Cote D'Azure business directory of their location.

[Allen Higginson]

This must have been a Cerberus division prior to us taking them.sorry,amalgamating with them but I'm drawing blanks!

[Sherpa]

Cerberus Guinard was the french Cerberus and they installed many fire systems on ships. Probably a good good idea to speak to Siemens as they took over Cerberus global. They will almost certainly have interface cards that will let you replace the panel and then change the loops to addressable one by one.
 

[Sherpa]

Oh yea, for the regs check out Solas 74

[Allen Higginson]

Cerberus Guinard was the french Cerberus and they installed many fire systems on ships. Probably a good good idea to speak to Siemens as they took over Cerberus global. They will almost certainly have interface cards that will let you replace the panel and then change the loops to addressable one by one.
 

LOL - Thats who I work for and I'm drawing blanks (God help anyone else)!!!!!

[Allen Higginson]

Would SOLAS be available to view in main libraries?

[Fishy]

Agree with the comment re: marine standards - my experience is that SOLAS / IMO standards apply, possibly including inspection by Lloyds assessors.  You certainly couldn't assume that if you do works to BS 5839 then that would be acceptable.  The client should be able to tell you what standards they want the works done to, surely?

[Allen Higginson]

Agree with the comment re: marine standards - my experience is that SOLAS / IMO standards apply, possibly including inspection by Lloyds assessors.  You certainly couldn't assume that if you do works to BS 5839 then that would be acceptable.  The client should be able to tell you what standards they want the works done to, surely?

Yes,system has to be to applicable marine standard.There is currently a system instaleed (25 year old) and they are looking at upgrading.
My main questions are (i) Do all ships now HAVE TO have an addressable fire alarm system installed and is this retrospective and (ii) looking at the technology available for marine systems there is a big difference in relation to the choice of loop devices compared to "land based" systems,the main one being sounders (ie - none!).Is it the case that the fire alarm is there to alert the bridge and it is from there that the ships emergency alarm is activated?

[Sherpa]

I also used to work for Siemens, suggest you try and contact trade sales at Frimley office.