Dorgard

[greg]

I am new to this forum and the debate may already of been had but does not BS EN 1155 deal with devices that may be fitted where doors are used by persons who have little incentive to care for the doors? I have always assumed that this would refer to doors such as school cross corridor doors where the heavy and continued use would soon make the fire safety features of the doors ineffective. I wouldn't have thought that this applies to bedroom doors in res care premises and the like.

[Bob Docherty]

Colin, I think the wine was good so au contraire and it is you that need to check the numbering from the original list you posed, starting with some Spanish numbering up to two(duo) then no more but back to english/arabic numbers.  I know you like to think that firefighters and ex ones cannot count but hey miracles can happen. as for the dorgard debate I think I have put enough techno stuff down in these columns for others to make their minds up, onlt outstanding thing is the 5839 Part 3 debate and although I acknowledge it is still in print the logic to me seems to be that if EU and the CPD recognises 1155 as the standard then thats the one even if 5839 Pt 3 is still selling, might be a ruse by BSSI to make a few more bob or in Spanish speak Euros!
Vive la vin rouge!!!!!

[colin todd]

No, Robert, I thought it was in your days that they could not count, as they only needed to be able to count up to 4 in order to make sure they had enough pennies to put in the phone box, prior to pressing button B, to send back the stop message. The young ones are often very bright nowadays. I am often impressed by some of the young sub officers  or whatever they call the wallahs with the 2 thingys on their shoulders. Last thought, has the product been certificated under the CPD, or is it just supposedly tested to BS EN 1155. Just wondering, you know the way I do. Hope to read the test report over some Spanish wine.

[Bob Docherty]

Colin, 4d for a phone call, those were that days, but in my day things had advanced to pressing button B just in case you could find some loose pennies and then dialling 999 and stating to the operator 'this is a fire flash call etc etc'.  How things have moved on.  Re the Dorgard it has been tested to BSEN 1155, that I do know and it has a test certificate to prove it but I am not the keeper of the 'golden fleece' so best to take the Argonauts and ask FIRECO yourself, I am sure they will oblige.  Heres hoping you get on the IFE Board, we could do with some opposition to the FPA and IFE becoming one (although most people out there perceive it to be so already)
'this is a fire flash- end of message'
Cheers
BOB

[dave bev]

bob, didnt we have something else aswell as fireflash - i seem to recall two 'free' calls we could make - was one for admin aswell as the one for emergency?

dave bev

[colin todd]

Davey, Stop pretending. You know you are only half the age of Robert. He can remember the days when it was only sissies who wore BA. Robert, thank you for your good wishes. Would still like to see the BS EN test report, but I shall put it on the same list as screwing Joanna Lumley. Something that I would very much enjoy and would strive to achieve  if I ever had time, but unlikely to be achieved before I die.

[Brian Catton]

Now come on Colin I know that would be absolutely fabulous but think of the old heart. Mind you I would like to see the risk assessment.
Hazard heart attack. control measures. 1. thinning the blood using the finest malt whiskey 2. going slowly. We wore BA as it was a novelty item. Proto 1V and salvus. I know; those brass helmets were difficult to keep clean.
I think dorgards have their uses, but like you I would like to see the test report.

[dave bev]

does ms lumley come apart?  

and i do remember the fireflash and the other one (whatever it was) - perhaps its bob doc who is much younger than he looks?

dave bev

[Bob Docherty]

Hi Dave thanks for that I would just like my hair back though, never mind Joanna Lumley, Hey Colin heard you got on to the Board so congrats, now lets work together to get rid of this FPA link and then what about this for a cunning plan - let the IFE buy an office, say centrally in Leicester and then lets employ a few people who could work solely for the IFE, good plan or what?  lets run it past Dennis
Yours in Honkers for a week
Cheers
BOB

[colin todd]

Hello Robert, yes your vote counted. One hopes that Davey voted for me to after all I do in praise of his master and mistress, The Rack and The Ruthie. i will put your idea to the Board, but, in the meantime, you are aware of my views in respect of the link. The problem with someone hanging onto your coat tails is that it always brings you down in the end.

[Ian Currie]

Hi guys
I have just come across this thread so apologies for the late comment and actually talking about the subject of this thread and not about how much better Maltese wine is, but I thought I would add my tuppenceworth of experience with them in an old folks home.

The unit I looked at was fitted to the bottom outside corner of a bedroom door which sets up a warping stress across the door. (I know many magnetic hold-backs are fitted there as well but it is expressly advised against in the literature.)

The constant pull on the carpet had caused a ridge large enough to stop the door closing on roughly a third of the releases I checked.  I know that that can be easily remedied but it represents an additional maintenance cost. It also depends on someone noticing the problem in the first place.

In this respect floor clearance is critical as on some of the failures it was the rubber foot of the plunger whch failed to clear the carpet and held the door open. It did not always seem to retract completely. Given all the possible problems with old doors this did not inspire confidence. Perhaps in a brand new building this would not be such an issue.

I felt they were, in effect, part of the arrangements for fire detection and alarm and considered that they should be included in the weekly test in the same way as mag-held doors. As bedroom doors could be closed for any number of reasons we decided that someone should be present to check their correct operation at the time. Simply finding the bedroom door closed after the test was not felt to be a positive enough  indication that they were operating. Not a big issue with only one or two units but could be a problem if they were used extensively.

Since they would be used due mainly to the frailty of the room's occupant, we would need to make sure that they were all clear of the doors before we did a test. Doors closing due to a normal alarm is one thing but during a test becomes a reasonably forseeable hazard requiring action.

Not much on the face of it but enough to persude the council not to use them.

Viva vin rouge perhaps, but whisky makes you frisky Colin!

[colin todd]

What can I say. The above treatise is yet another reflection on the Scottish education system.

[Graeme]

, but whisky makes you frisky

it just makes me fight with my Dad on Xmas day.

[Ian Currie]

Perhaps if you gave your dad some it might help?

[Graeme]

he already had half the bottle.