Hostel Night Time Staffing Levels

[Davo]

Hi Folks


Ten storey building, top eight has 182 bedrooms containing a mixture of officers, some from abroad, also visitors such as guest speakers etc.
Bar on site.........


In view of recent cutbacks in all forces  they are looking at staffing levels on the reception/large grounds (ten other buildings) at night time.

What I need to know please is where I can find the most persuasive recommendation that the reception be staffed.

I know its down to risk assessment and have asked for two but bean counters require more


cheers


davo

[Galeon]

I would go down th route of the evacuation principle .

[nearlythere]

Hi Folks


Ten storey building, top eight has 182 bedrooms containing a mixture of officers, some from abroad, also visitors such as guest speakers etc.
Bar on site.........


In view of recent cutbacks in all forces  they are looking at staffing levels on the reception/large grounds (ten other buildings) at night time.

What I need to know please is where I can find the most persuasive recommendation that the reception be staffed.

I know its down to risk assessment and have asked for two but bean counters require more


cheers


davo

What about their failure to effectively manage the safety to persons from the risk from fire in the premises.

[CivvyFSO]

I would say that the most convincing "recommendation" is in the legislation:

(b) nominate a sufficient number of competent persons to implement those procedures in so far as they relate to the evacuation of relevant persons from the premises

[kurnal]

Davo
Have you a copy of BS9999?

If you have then take a look at section 8 - Managing fire safety. Table 6 sets out the minimum acceptable management levels for different scenarios, a level 1 is indicated for your premises.

Then para 8.3.4 describes staffing levels and specifically refers to management of an emergency and security considerations. If you dont want to simply refer to this BS you could construct an argument around words cut and pasted from it.

BS9999 is intended as a design guide but it can also be used as good practice guidance for an existing building.

The sleeping guide is reamrkably sparse on this topic. However it does state the duty to consider all relevant persons within your emergency plan especially those with special needs. As you have lifts and an inclusive policy then in the absence of supervisory staff who will assist these persons?

[Psuedonym]

Is BS 9999 available in a multitude of languages? I only ask as the hotels I visit at night seem only to have 2 member of staff at night and these can be from all corners of the globe as long as the minimum wages are applicable.
Good practice and common practice need a little tweeking...

[kurnal]

Isnt that so often the case? I do sometimes kick myself for being naive, I get involved in the design of new buildings, tailor the fire precautions as far as possible to meet the clients requirements  which so often means offsetting one variation from  best practice against a compensating measure and management procedures.

Then so often as soon as they have that completion certificate they re-organise, forget all about 16B, the design strategy, the FRA  and the earnest assurances they or their representatives  gave at the design team meetings.   

[Davo]

Prof

Thanks for the advice re 9999, I forgot it had management info as well as discount guides.
If I add 10% DoT for having an L1, should I take 10% off for alcohol levels of resies?


davo