licensed clubhouse

[Mushy]

Hi

we've all been to pubs, bed and breakfast etc that have a nice roaring log fire...

now if a new licensed clubhouse was proposed for say a football or cricket club and they wanted to include an open fire in their plans...would this get through planning/building control?

[nearlythere]

Hi

we've all been to pubs, bed and breakfast etc that have a nice roaring log fire...

now if a new licensed clubhouse was proposed for say a football or cricket club and they wanted to include an open fire in their plans...would this get through planning/building control?

Can't really see any reason why not.

[Midland Retty]

can't see it being much of an issue

may need to check on whether or not there are any local regs concerning clean air / smoke free zones etc i.e; the environmental aspect.

[Phoenix]

Hi Mushy,

I would agree completely with the previous two posts.  It would be presumptuous of a building control body to assume anything other than proper and responsible use of the open fire.  The fire risk assessment for the occupied building should ensure that responsible use continues.

Maybe, and quite reasonably, you're anticipating a different type of use of this facility and maybe that is a real issue that cannot be ignored.  But to do anything other than anticipate proper use, you would need firm evidence.

Stu

[Mushy]

Thanks for your replies

ok I'll come clean on this one ...I have a direct involvement as the football club that I am involved with is in the process of drawing up plans for a brand new ground with a clubhouse...the idea of a open fire was banded out...me being one of the banding aboutist ...the idea was to get away from the 'sterile' clone type of design to a more homely family club feel....I could see nothing wrong with the idea in theory...as already been mentioned, the Fire Risk Assessment on occupation will obviously cover this...others however are a bit twitchy saying it would never get through BC....well my arguement is that in my days as a fire safety officer working with BC on entertainment licenses, no licensed was refused purely because of an open fire.... I realise it is a different licensing procedure now..but you get the picture

cheers

[FSO]

I would suggest having a look at Approved Document J.

http://www.planningportal.gov.uk/uploads/br/BR_PDF_ADJ_2002.pdf

[bungle]

Yup... risk assess it and if the local authority or FRS  say no then ask how many Article 31 notices have been served on the establishments that do have them. Simples!!!

Bungle

[CivvyFSO]

How would knowledge of the number of article 31 notices help? It is clear that nowhere is likely to have been restricted or prohibited just due to an open fire place, but somewhere doesn't have to be dangerous to issue an enforcement notice under article 32 to rectify deficiencies under the Order. i.e Not recording the significant findings will not lead to dangerous conditions or an offence, but we can still enforce that recording and to not comply with the subsequent enforcement notice will be an offence.