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Offline SamFIRT

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Re: provision of FF shafts
« Reply #15 on: February 26, 2011, 10:15:56 PM »
And ……when a fire occurs in a poorly designed/managed building the FRS I/c will carry out a DRA and not commit Ff's into the building to fight the fire unless there is a life risk.... and maybe not even then.
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Offline tmprojects

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Re: provision of FF shafts
« Reply #16 on: February 27, 2011, 01:00:34 AM »
TMProjects I think your proposal has a flaw. It depeds entirely on the management regime for the building to ensure that the fire loading is kept within the design parameters for the sprinkler system. In a poorly managed building it wont be,  and its the poorly managed buildings that have the fires.



Very true. i made that very point, that it should be a min of level 2. and that a comprehensive Fire safety manual, that includes the original fire strategy, must be made available to any prospective occupier.

You highlight an all too often problem. no matter how good or bad the building is, it all comes down to the management.

BS9999 has gone some way to quantify what is expected of management within different buildings. but we can never be sure they will implement it. we can only inspect, and if they have failed to show they are maintaining that standard, enforcement.

what i mean is this.

If i believe level 2 management, and an undertaking from the owner that a comprehensive FSM will be available to the occupier, will be sufficient to control the potential risk. Then i should accept that on face value.

i should not assume they might not acheive it, so just in case, refuse the proposal.

failure to maintain this standard as prescribed would then be a matter of enforcement

Offline Dinnertime Dave

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Re: provision of FF shafts
« Reply #17 on: March 07, 2011, 12:32:30 PM »

Dealing with the same issue in a educational building look at BB100 in 8.4.2 and I think it gives the rational behind having two shafts - To allow firefighters a safe protected route from outside the building. AND MORE IMPORTANTLY a safe exit route, if required.   

Just a thought.