Author Topic: Scottish Government recognises the benefits of third party certification  (Read 46734 times)

Offline Tom W

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I hope you are not this angry with all of your potential clients!!

I merely stated about the FIA code of conduct as you had claimed you had been told FIA companies aren't doing a good job.

With regards to the ISO 67 guide, it gives guidance on product certification systems, so im not sure where you are going with it.

Anyway did you hear Battersea Dogs home was broken into the other day?

Police are searching for leads   ;)

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I hope you are not this angry with all of your potential clients!!

I merely stated about the FIA code of conduct as you had claimed you had been told FIA companies aren't doing a good job.

With regards to the ISO 67 guide, it gives guidance on product certification systems, so im not sure where you are going with it.

Anyway did you hear Battersea Dogs home was broken into the other day?

Police are searching for leads   ;)



Not angry piglet, just short on time for a full response to your comments and questions and to be honest its getting a bit tedious now; what started out as fun has become too much like work thanks to Colin ‘outing’ me on the forum.

I think its best just to agree we all have different opinions and leave it at that. The industry stakeholder group has a meeting on the 21st of April and I hope we will have an industry decision on this very topic at this meeting. One way or the other, a decision is all I really want, so at least it is clear to everyone what standards the industry wants to set.



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Simon, While I am very sorry I blew your cover, I did not know you were trying to keep it a secret.  To be honest, I have never really understood why people use aliases, other than in the case of FRS people, as the FRS have never really rejoiced at free thinking and free speech, so I can kind of see why some of them would not want to be identified.

Equally, if people are making vehement comments or advising all and sundry, I think their angle should be identifiable.  I asked a fire service chum months ago if he thought my poisoned finger was alright and he took a look at it and said yeah it should be fine.  Now I need to see a specialist next week, as I have a lot of pain in it and a worrying little cyst.  But in accepting my chums advice I knew what his level of expertise was, so I dont hold him to account.  I am thinking of getting my daughter a new car, and the man from the bmw garage said I should buy a mini from him.  He sells good minis and when he said he would advise a mini cooper I knew he might have a bias, though I will probably take his advice (also next week).

The affiliation of most people here is perfectly obvious and it is relevant I feel in some cases that it should be.  For avoidance of doubt Kurnal for example, is a fireman turned consultant.  Its good to know that cos if he tells me something about the gear ratios of a  Dennis, I will probably not bother to check if he is right cos I myself just select gears in a car and know nothing of fire engines.  If he tells me the answer to a question on second order differential calculus,  I will check it very carefully, as he does not have an honours degree in maths. All of his other views lie somewhere between these two extremes.  But if he were to say, for example, all small fire risk assessment companies should only employ ex fire officers from the east midlands I will know where he is coming from.


Tam used to be a fireman too I believe and now spends his time altruistically wanting to help the world. I think Piggie has made it clear where he comes from , not least cos he very courteously asked if it was ok to tell people about his companys cool new product.( It was).  graeme is a fire alarm geezer from gods own country  and the Buzz is a similar geezer in the country where god goes on holiday. So if Buzz says why do the NI regs not say something (or why did that girl in thomsons garage not give him a second look) we will know we are hearing a legitimate point of view (well not about the girl in the nightclub as she was way too young for him) from someone with a particular perspective.

When I have views about the CLG and the FRS people know its in part cos no one gets consultants in to tell them how well the FRS are doing and arent their enforcing officers lovely chaps, but instead as consultants 10% -20% of our turnover is cos of crap enforcement of crap legislation and crap guidance documents for which I blame crap civil servants with the sole exception of wee b, and he is only not crap cos bre taught him well not to be crap.

If it bothers you that much I am sure you can bribe someone in the passport office to give you a new identity.
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Offline Davo

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Speyside ;D

In view of the posting title and the fact that most viewers still don't have a clue who you are, I shouldn't throw the teddy out just yet ;D

CT is right, the background of the poster will influence the casual viewer looking for solutions and indeed lesser mortals like me looking for a steer 8)


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Davo

My opinions are not always the opinions of my employer and just like some of the FRS guys I do need to mindful of that. Plus I am now being asked questions regarding the work I do and not on my opinion or thoughts in general. It’s only a small matter but one that has happened before on this site, if you don’t want to be identified you may have good reason and that should be respected. If people want to put on personal details, that’s fine and if you don’t then so be it. Thanks for the apology Colin!

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"My name's Allen and I'm a regional fire alarm engineer"

 God,that feels so much better getting that out in the open.  ;D

Offline Wiz

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"My name's Allen and I'm a regional fire alarm engineer"

 God,that feels so much better getting that out in the open.  ;D

Why only 'regional', Buzz?

What are you still hiding?

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A regional fire alarm - blimey that's a big job.

Offline Allen Higginson

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Thats what it says on my card - Regional Engineer NI.

Offline colin todd

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Kurnal, you are right, the IFE is an old institution, though, as it is of similar age to you, you might prefer to call it mature and experienced. It was founded in 1918 in SCOTLAND. You remember that day don't you? You spent the day playing pool in the fire station unlike these modern young bloods, who spend much more time knocking on people's doors in dwellings, giving them smoke alarms and generally spoiling the fun for the operational people by reducing fires.

Given that, by your own admission, part of the reason you are here is for marketing purposes, it is no surprise that you tell people on your website that you are a grad of the IFE. Now, Big Al, you know how Simon the CB worries his wee head about possible inconsistent views, so I feel that in view of your views so to speak, you should amend your website to say something like “I am a grad of the IFE but it is an old qualification obtained from an old institution a long time ago and never gets looked at by any third party, so you would be better going to someone younger like Toddy, who has a degree in fire engineering that was subject to third party scrutiny because I have been giving consultancy advice for years without even as much as ISO 9001 in relation to the services I produce.”
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Buzzy, If you had told the girl with the legs in Tomson's garage that you were a regional fire alarm engineer, my bet is that she would have thrown her underwear at you, rather than staring at the wall behind you as though you didn't exist.
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Wee B, Norn Iron is a very small region, so it is not that big a project. Following regionalization I fully expect Norn Iron and the whole South West of England to become the Western Command of London Fire Brigade. They will appoint a Sub Officer as the Divisional Commander, and he won't need to fly to get to the Norn Iron stations as he will live in cloud cuckoo land anyway and think that he can leap across the Irish housemaid's knee in one bound. There will soon be 7 redundant Chief Officers in Scotland who can act as his leading fireman.
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Wee B, Norn Iron is a very small region, so it is not that big a project. Following regionalization I fully expect Norn Iron and the whole South West of England to become the Western Command of London Fire Brigade. They will appoint a Sub Officer as the Divisional Commander.

Bugger. i wanted that job!!! Now you've just spoilt it by telling me i'm over qualified.

All that hard work for nothing.  >:(

Offline Allen Higginson

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Buzzy, If you had told the girl with the legs in Tomson's garage that you were a regional fire alarm engineer, my bet is that she would have thrown her underwear at you, rather than staring at the wall behind you as though you didn't exist.
You see,that's why some of us gets the chicks and some of us don't - experience.

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Colin I am touched. How kind of you to visit my website, I do hope you enjoyed your browsing experience. I do however hope you did not link to me via my google advertisement as this would have cost me 3p plus VAT for the click.  ;D

As you can probably tell from that marketing is not really a major priority though  I do remember once saying that one reason I post on firenet is to raise the profile of my business. I made that statement partly through a feeling of awkwardness when I copied your lead and added my business name as a footer to each post. Actually yes several posters did like my helpful approach on firenet, forgave my over enthusiasm to assist and occasional hare trigger and appointed me to work for them. I have been grateful to firenet for this and would not seek to hide this, though as a marketing tool it will never be cost effective. Several of these customers have become firm friends, and this is the best thing of all.

Please forgive the website, it is old and in need of update. It will shortly include details of what we are doing to implement a QMS and in seeking third party certification, not from one but two of the person registers. I have already had some discussion with FRACS over their company scheme but the manager suggested that it was perhaps not aimed at small companies such as mine at this time.

I remain more than a little surprised that you cannot understand Speyside's desire to remain anonymous. I note that none of your people ever post here  and remember you once telling me  that if they so much as gave their granny free advice on where to place her smoke alarm they would be out. Perhaps such restictions and control may be imposed by other employers too?  ;)

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