BAFE SP 205 scheme for fire risk assesment companies: WATCH THIS SPACE

[William 29]

Hi Piglet
Thanks for giving a dose of perspective.

I hope you are right but have you seen William 29s posting above? He says he had a quote from NSI?

He will not have a quote, he will have been given a guide price. I can assure you of this. That guide price, whoever gave it to him, and when is incorrect.

Anyone is free to ring them and confirm what I have said.

Piglet, I hate to correct you but here is an extract of the email from NSI.........looks like a quote to me?  (emphasis added)



This first quote is for our Silver Scheme which requires a documented management system (DMS) but this does not have to meet the requirements of BS EN ISO 9001:2008. It can be an informal document.
 
The Assessment Costs are as follows;
 
Head Office Audit + the witnessed audit of one named assessor        -        £XXX        (This includes the audit of your DMS on site without NSI carrying out a prior desk top audit)
 
Witnessed audit of the 2nd named assessor + 3 desk top audits        -        £XXX       (This includes three desk top audits of three other assessors work who are listed on a Recognised Register)
 
Witnessed audit of the 3rd named assessor + 2 desk top audits
and one interview                                                                            -        £XXX        (This will cover the reamaining two 'Registered Assessors and the one unregistered Assessor)
 
                                                                                            Total    -      £XXX
 
The Annual Surveillance Costs are as follows
 
First year  (covers 2 visits per year)                                                   -      £XXX
 
Second year (covers 2 visits per year)                                                -      £XXX
 
Third year (providing track record is good - one visit per year)                -      £XXX
Note
 
1. All costs will be + VAT
 
2. NSI will commence a Pilot Phase at the end of May. Once that phase is complete the Scheme Requirements may well be changed - hopefully not significantly. As such costs may change.
 
3. All new initial fire risk assessments must be issued with a BAFE/NSI Certificate of Compliance and the cost to you, we believe, will be set around £10 per certifcate. This cost can be passed on to your client.
 
   
 
A Quote for an NSI Gold Scheme (with the DMS written to meet the requirements of BS EN ISO 9001:2008) is as follows;
 
The Assessment Costs are as follows
 
Add one additional day for NSI to desktop review your Documented Quality Management System prior to the first assessment visit.
 
Therefore the total cost will be £XXX (As for Silver above) plus £XXX     -       £XXX
 
The Annual Surveillance Cost are as follows
 
First year (Covers 2 visits)                                                                 -       £XXX
 
Second year (Covers 2 visir)                                                              -       £XXX
 
Third Year (only one visit if previous track record is good)                     -       £XXX
 
Note
 
1. Certificates of Compliance again to be set around £10 for the Gold Scheme
  2. The BAFE Scheme Document requires the Certificated Organization to receive 2 surveillance visits for the first two years and providing the track record is good it can be reduced to one per year.
 
3. The notes regarding the pilot phase and VAT above apply again.
 
4. Whilst we do not make a charge for auditor hotel accommodation and travel the location of your fire risk assessors may have to be a consideration.

Sorry William I have had to amend your posting- I think Competition Law would prevent us from disclosing prices in a Public forum. Kurnal

[William 29]

Sorry William I have had to amend your posting- I think Competition Law would prevent us from disclosing prices in a Public forum. Kurnal
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Fair enough Kurnal, my apologies

[Tom W]

William Apologies I was not trying to ruffle your feathers, I simply mean that the scheme is not available yet, I think they were perhaps silly in giving you costings yet particularly as they don't know what the exact costings will be yet.

Its likely that the scheme costings are correct but as it says in your email in relation to the certificates is  "the cost to you, we believe, will be set around £10 per certifcate."

"We believe" is not a quotation. I think its just a likely costs, a quotation you can sign and book, the scheme is not available yet, they haven't even sorted out their pilot companies.

So once they have started their beta company trials they will get a better understanding of what it will take, time allowed and therefore attribute costs.

This won't be for at least a couple of months.

I can state that the costs of certificates is not £10 NSI told me this morning "It is likely there will be no cost whatsoever for the certificate"

I think you're probably right about the costs its just the cost of the certificate I was questioning so I rang them to confirm it.

[kurnal]

Thanks Piglet for clarifying this and for the news about certificates. To be honest I admit I have been getting myself in a premature lather about this and it might be best to hang fire for a few weeks. 

But just maybe the kerfuffle over certificate fees might have prompted a rethink, or perhaps I flatter myself and firenet for thinking that?

[colin todd]

Yup , as always you are right. You flatter yourself thinking you and firenet had anything whatsoever to do with discussions on this matter.

You are right about getting into a lather about nothing though.  Now off you go and send in your expression of interest for certification under the scheme.

[colin todd]

For avoidance of doubt, NSI will be raising no fees whatsoever for certificates raised.