Charges for Attendance at False Alarms

[idlefire]

What about prosecuting for not starting to evacuate?
I can't see what fining the likes of hospitals will do to alleviate the problem. It won't hit anyones pocket except the taxpayer. Much better to fine the CEO personally. That should get things moving.

NT - I have to agree that you have a fair point.

However, I'm fairly certain that "not starting to evacuate", in itself, does not constitutes an prosecutable offence.

As always I stand to be corrected.

[idlefire]

Idlefire; you are correct on both counts, yes he did leave CLG and then a year later retired form the LFB.  His words were "persistent as defined in CLG speak is more than one", reference material?

Jokar,

At the risk of underwhelming CT, I sat at the knighted Knight's table for a short period of time and had the privilege of learning a phenomenal amount, first hand, from “the Wise one”.

However, as an unreferenced source, I would have to say the words attributed to him here would not have any great bearing in a Court of law and; I personally think this is where LFB and/or WYF&RS are heading.

[nearlythere]

What about prosecuting for not starting to evacuate?
I can't see what fining the likes of hospitals will do to alleviate the problem. It won't hit anyones pocket except the taxpayer. Much better to fine the CEO personally. That should get things moving.

NT - I have to agree that you have a fair point.

However, I'm fairly certain that "not starting to evacuate", in itself, does not constitutes an prosecutable offence.

As always I stand to be corrected.

Probably not Idle - until someone is hurt.

[colin todd]

Idol, did you sup with a long spoon?

[idlefire]

Idol, did you sup with a long spoon?

Sorry Colin but the Official Secrets Act 1989 prevents me from answering your question.

You could always try a FOI request, but the names will most probably be redacted to protect the innocent.

[colin todd]

FOI requests should be reserved for much more interesting things like how much does it cost an FRS to lose a determination.

[Davo]

Idlefire

Agree with your thought

ps
Time they renamed your station, does no favours

davo
ex WYP H & S/fire person

[idlefire]

Idlefire

Agree with your thought

ps
Time they renamed your station, does no favours

davo
ex WYP H & S/fire person

Davo, I never thought anybody would have made the link. 

You're time spent with the Rozzers clearly wasn't wasted. 

[idlefire]

FOI requests should be reserved for much more interesting things like how much does it cost an FRS to lose a determination.

Not unless you're a historian or a narcissist showcasing former glories.  

Seriously though, I personally salute those who seek determinations (including you Colin, but only when you're not being smug about it), FRSs that are brave enough to agree to them and the Secratary of State for being impartial enough to, where necessary, rule against a FRS.

Whichever way a determination eventually goes it gives our industry a national perspective of what is considered reasonable in the circumstances, win or lose it's public money well spent.

Unfortunately, other than the Courts, there doesn't appear to be any impartial determination mechanism for challenging LFB/WYFR&S policies on charging for attendance at false alarms (which differ significantly).

[idlefire]

What about prosecuting for not starting to evacuate?
I can't see what fining the likes of hospitals will do to alleviate the problem. It won't hit anyones pocket except the taxpayer. Much better to fine the CEO personally. That should get things moving.

NT - I have to agree that you have a fair point.

However, I'm fairly certain that "not starting to evacuate", in itself, does not constitutes an prosecutable offence.

As always I stand to be corrected.

Probably not Idle - until someone is hurt.

NT

"And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?

Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...."
[Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime]

[colin todd]

I wasnt being smug, Idyllic one.  Merely pondering the waste of taxpayers money.  Even many of the armchair experts here found some difficulty in understanding why the FRS ever proceeded.

[nearlythere]

What about prosecuting for not starting to evacuate?
I can't see what fining the likes of hospitals will do to alleviate the problem. It won't hit anyones pocket except the taxpayer. Much better to fine the CEO personally. That should get things moving.

NT - I have to agree that you have a fair point.

However, I'm fairly certain that "not starting to evacuate", in itself, does not constitutes an prosecutable offence.

As always I stand to be corrected.

Probably not Idle - until someone is hurt.

NT

"And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?

Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...."
[Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime]

Idle. Are you ranting again?

[idlefire]

What about prosecuting for not starting to evacuate?
I can't see what fining the likes of hospitals will do to alleviate the problem. It won't hit anyones pocket except the taxpayer. Much better to fine the CEO personally. That should get things moving.

NT - I have to agree that you have a fair point.

However, I'm fairly certain that "not starting to evacuate", in itself, does not constitutes an prosecutable offence.

As always I stand to be corrected.

Probably not Idle - until someone is hurt.

NT

"And you may ask yourself
Am I right?...Am I wrong?
And you may tell yourself
MY GOD!...WHAT HAVE I DONE?

Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...
Same as it ever was...Same as it ever was...."
[Talking Heads - Once in a Lifetime]

Idle. Are you ranting again?

NT,

I was definitely not ranting; you will note that there were more words than expletives in my post.

I was just trying to be cool by profoundly quoting lyrics (words) of a Talking Heads (a rock & roll band, probably from before your time) track (song) that went some way to expressing my frustrations regarding the subject matter of your post.

For the record, I have seen stable door legislation first hand and; I have to say that I still have difficulties reconciling how I/we were, in some part, held responsible for the tragic events of 11th May 1985.

I hope this helps you contexulalise my last post.