Change of rank/role markings?

[steve999]

humberside have changed from  r2r for 18 months , we are now going through a process of job evaluation and sizing to equate rank to role , most have been accurate but i know of 2 posts that have been knocked down a role . wm to cm . and  Gm to sm. (personnel getting 3 yrs protected , so no immediate pay drop and chance to move on befor their job gets a new role . when first implemented all rider Station officers were taken off ops onto other management roles , like it or not .

[Pip]

we finished our r2r and job evaluation a few months ago
FF-no change
LFF-CM with old Sub O markings
Sub (Ops)-WM 'A' with STN O markings
Sub TFS and Training-WM 'B' and STN O markings
STN O 42 (Ops)-WM 'A' with STN O markings
STN O 42-SM 'A' with ADO markings
STN O 42 (TFS and Training) SM'B' with ADO markings
STN O FDS -SM'B' with old ADO markings
ADO FDS-GM 'A' with old D.O. markings
D.O FDS-GM 'B' with old D.O. markings.

I thought we might lose the 'rank' insignia off our shirts, and have it replaced with'station manager' etc,but we kept the old insignia.

[Cut Fire Service Pay]

So it was pointless then?

[Pip]

well I don't suppose it would have happened so quickly (if at all) without the government so called 'modernisation' agenda.we have more white helmets than we used to.we have some happy ex sub officers and some unhappy ones-some have had a pay rise, some have had a pay cut, and some have been 'reduced' in stature.the same applies to old Stn O's and ADO's.I was fortunate, I was on the 'happy' side.But there is no consistency in the country.I have been told (rumour!) there are those doing a similar 'role' to me who are going to be 2-3 pay grades worse off than me.Yet we were told that the 'job evaluation' and 'rank to role' outcomes should be defendable/auditable.

[docfin]

Can anyone tell me if a WMB is an officer or a JO?

[Nearlybaldandgrey]

I'd say it's an officer .... it's the equivalent of Station officer in old money ......... although some may disagree!!

[AllyFirey]

I'm a WMB!!! - A Watch Manager (Sub Officer) in charge of a station!!. So I would say a JO.

There has been talk of changing the markings to reflect the fact we run a station... but in my view a Sub is a Sub is a Sub is a Watch Manager! whatever his role.

[Cut Fire Service Pay]

Surely there should no longer be JOs or Officers, just managers? I thought thats what this whole waste of time & money was about?

[Pip]

Yes there are only 'managers' now-except for the chief and deputy chief who for some reason have(in our brigade) kept their old titles(as they explained-so as not to 'confuse' the public!).animal farm any one?!

[docfin]

Ally Firey I would suggest that if you are in charge of a station then you are in fact a station manager and thus an officer (and no doubt a gentleman).

[Tom Sutton]

I have been updating my page of Rank!!! Ahhh Role markings  and an anomaly appears to have risen. Chief Officers appear to be still calling themselves CFO and should they not be using the role, Brigade Manager. Also because brigade is too militaristic and we now have a service should they not be calling themselves Service managers and CACFOA renamed the Service and Assistant Service managers and Area Managers Association.

[rips]

No CFOA have not agreed their own role maps as yet, so they are still as before.

[Tom Sutton]

What about DCOL 5/2004 I thought that was the standard.