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Offline idlefire

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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #15 on: November 13, 2014, 10:37:14 PM »
I am with you on this one AnthonyB but earlier this year I attended a conference at which Warren Spencer, solicitor and self-styled expert on the FSO who prosecutes cases for Lancashire, Greater Manchester, Cumbria, Cheshire, Merseyside, Hereford and Worcester Fire and Rescue Services, suggested that a person who undertakes a review of a fire risk assessment takes responsiblity for it from the original author.

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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2014, 11:03:57 PM »
thats ok so far as it goes but it cant be the whole story. If for example an experienced specialist has evaluated the fire alarm and justified a variation from best practice, the responsible person with less competence in this area should be entitled to rely on the earlier specialist judgement.

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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #17 on: November 14, 2014, 11:28:28 AM »
Yeah the responsible person maybe but what if its another risk assessor who's been drafted in on behalf of the RP?

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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #18 on: November 14, 2014, 01:48:45 PM »
But I dont think we are quite right on this folks. A review has a purpose which is to keep the FRA up to date. It is not something which has a specific time frame because this would not be in keeping with the whole point of a review.

Say a fire risk assessment was undertaken on a residential home as was surveyed on the day. If then the following week the owner decided to add on two rooms you wouldn't wait until the following year to carry out the review. Likewise you wouldn't keep a list of chops and changes you have made over the last year so as to include them in the "annual review". That would not be keeping the FRA up to date.
 A fire risk assessment is a dynamic process which should be reviewed as and when it is necessary to do so, so as to keep it current.

If my residential home had carried out the addition alterations after the FRA was completed and provided rooms without fire doors and the F&R Service called, would it be satisfactory for the owner to say that the Fire Risk Assessor will look at that next year when we do our annual review.

Reviews are a dynamic process which is how the FRA is kept up to date.
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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2014, 08:51:46 AM »
To my mind, the reasons why reviews are required are three-fold:

-   To ensure that whatever was there before is still present, is functioning & is being maintained;
-   To identify whether any changes have been made (physical, management or use) since the last assessment/review & to assess the impact of those changes;
-   To check that nothing vital was missed during the last assessment/review (particularly if a different person is doing the review).

Unless you have a very effective and water-tight change control and management system (few, if any, do), your on-going management processes are unlikely to pick the above up with absolute reliability - hence the need for regular review.  The longer you leave it, the more likely it is that there will be an issue with one of the above.  That might not matter much in a single-storey office, but it might be very important in a multi-storey hotel or hospital, or in a basement nightclub so you'd probably want to do a more frequent review in the latter than in the former.  I would imagine that it's for this reason that no-one has wanted to put a 'standard' frequency in any of the guidance.

I'd say the periodicity should depend upon the situation.  More frequent where there is a potential for regular/frequent changes and/or relatively high fire risk (so your dependence on the integrity of the fire protection is higher).  Many recommend the frequency of review at the end of the FRA & I think this should be a matter of good practice and done intelligently (not just stick in a standard sentence that it should be done annually to get the repeat business)!  Perhaps someone ought to produce a BS 9999 - style risk categorisation table that could be used?
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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #20 on: November 20, 2014, 01:07:22 PM »
The FRA should be subject to regular review, in addition to the regular review it should also be reviewed if there are changes to the building or if there has been a fire. So if alterations are made the FRA should be reviewed then as well as the regular review.
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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #21 on: November 20, 2014, 04:02:38 PM »
What I find interesting in all of this is that something as fundamental as the FRA and the frequency of review can lead to so much discussion.

Offline Mike Buckley

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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #22 on: November 20, 2014, 05:02:16 PM »
Yes it is indicative of the original legislation and guidance and the level of understanding and preconceptions of those who wrote it.

I am sure the elder members of this forum will remember the first issue of the guidance on animal premises and stables which gave us all hours of merriment until it was rapidly withdrawn.
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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #23 on: November 20, 2014, 06:36:36 PM »

I am sure the elder members of this forum will remember the first issue of the guidance on animal premises and stables which gave us all hours of merriment until it was rapidly withdrawn.

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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2014, 01:13:53 PM »
SNAP! ;D  ;D

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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2014, 06:46:47 PM »

I am sure the elder members of this forum will remember the first issue of the guidance on animal premises and stables which gave us all hours of merriment until it was rapidly withdrawn.

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Re: Frequency of review period for Fire Risk Assessments
« Reply #26 on: December 02, 2014, 07:30:52 PM »
I used to specify a review time based on what I found doing the FRA ie sleeping risk, chemicals, management etc etc ......


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